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this week as well uh we have one of my

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science writer at the debrief that's

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us but before we bring him in I saw him

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doing the dance to the intro music there

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I am I'm loving it I'm loving everyone's

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dancing and grooving to the music so

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we're keeping it that's the somewhere in

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the live stream music but are somewhere

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hello to everyone in the chat before we

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get into all the new stories we've got

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for you tonight no podcast highlights

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say hello to Nero stream Ginger Turtle

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hello folks here for a little while to

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listen thank you Graham thanks for being

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here buddy appreciate it as always hello

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to Joe from Carmel By the Sea California

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podman is here uh just watching the

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coronation concert ooh podman stay tuned

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I've got a special little clip from the

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coronation that occurred here in the UK

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Richard who else Wayne is here Suzanne

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somewhere in the live stream again

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head science writer at the debrief

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Mr Christopher plane welcome back my man

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Sprague what's going on my good man good

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to see you you too you too well I am off

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the heels of the coronation here in the

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fascination with UK royalty really just

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democracy fan so even if it's symbolic

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coronation Al tonight and the reason is

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ceremonial that there were the

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the coronation but um yeah it kind of

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went viral and it was like oh my God the

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Grim Reaper made an appearance at the

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coronation how morbid how morbidden

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horror movie when I was growing up in

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they like go by God I forget what movie

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it is but they I'm sure that someone in

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the channel know what they panned by and

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standing behind there and it's like the

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creepiest moment ever in the movie so

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terrifying um but yes the Grim Reaper

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what a ominous way a Harbinger if you

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will of this new monarchy we shall see

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but um say that the term the queen

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consort sounds kind of crappy like if I

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were the the queen concert my wife was

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like it sounds like Royal sidepiece

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and I was like yeah that's a good

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observation so it is that poor woman has

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years and now that's what she needs to

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be that's what she's going to be known

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as absolutely right for her but anyways

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millionaire she's she's doing all right

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she's doing okay

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we are too thank you Jordan Mack for the

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4.99 Super Chat my man the two best

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looking guys on UFO Twitter wow

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wow yes

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this isn't Cole Tartan zabel honey this

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is Sprague and playing I know I know

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you're bringing the big guns today we

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are we what's the guy who's the guy was

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it Ryan Baker that said in uh in in

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yes hole punch cloud punch you yeah

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he's always coming in with these Russian

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things and I love that I absolutely love

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it um part of my stand-up career which

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and it's just traveling and all that was

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too exhausting you can make an okay

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living at it it's a lot of work there

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the clubs and stuff in the early 90s and

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an age where they're more terrifying

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um but moving on let's talk UFOs

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Christopher plain absolutely and we're

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gonna start with a there she is dalen

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the angry sauerkraut is here I was

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to the show now we're just missing Doug

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good to see you buddy we got the best

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over here dude our support system is

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um so I think they're gonna like this

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future we're gonna have visual aids

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tonight with Christopher plane so head

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on over to YouTube and watch the YouTube

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version if you want to follow along with

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we'll just exactly we will and here's

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the first visual aid we have for our

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first story how science and politics are

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bringing an end to ufology so you guys

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know the man on the right that is

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resident skeptic on UFO Twitter Mr Mick

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claiming that ufology is dead so I'm

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going to read a little bit Chris here um

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West wrote over at New York Post as the

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military continues to devote money and

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brain power to finding UFOs all they can

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come up with is further proof that they

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don't exist the myth of the trained

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February a pair of X F-16 pilots from

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the Minnesota Air National shot down a

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small octagonal object flying over Lake

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Huron audio from the shootdown

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demonstrated just how much trouble

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military Pilots have with describe I

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mean even the basics of a small slow

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he goes on to say commercial pilots are

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likewise not perfect observing machines

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as evidenced by the 2022 starlink flap

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the race track flap as it were Chris

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that you guys covered extensively

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um he says the good evidence claim

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ufologist is Secret of course the

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government supposedly knows about UFOs

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in their alien Pilots but isn't telling

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the public because of National Security

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concerns the problem with that narrative

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is that the closer we get to that secret

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evidence the more it seems to evaporate

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so basically what Mick West is doing is

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going through Point by Point

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um everything from basically the New

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York Times article of 2017 up to the UAP

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task force the establishment of Arrow

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that he brings up the veneer of

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legitimacy that ufology has acquired

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through the establishment of the UAP

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task force was eroded when it was

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revealed that its Chief scientist was

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someone well known to the UFO Community

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Dr Travis Taylor his role at the uaptf

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chief scientist seemed incongruous if

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not laughable to many

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the seriousness of the UAP task force

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suffered another blow thanks to

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leadership liabilities in the form of

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John J Stratton who had previously been

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featured in the book skinwalkers at the

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Pentagon

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so the field of ufology could very

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likely wither away as people the media

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the military and politicians become

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disillusioned and begin to lose interest

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Because unless the evidence emerges soon

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what do you have to say to this man this

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is an article that most wouldn't even

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read

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um I got I started kind of clinching my

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teeth almost two paragraphs in but I

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want to get your thoughts your initial

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thoughts I know you hadn't read it

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either before

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um yeah before you made me before I

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forced you at gunpoint so what did you

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think of this article so the reason I

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avoided reading is because opinion piece

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and uh opinion piece about a subject

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from somebody who's just you know a

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Layman like anybody else is just not

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as he would say it's a low information

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Zone uh uh piece there's not there

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wasn't a lot for me to take away from it

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I would say agree with a lot of what he

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said I I think internally at the debrief

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this is one of the things we talk about

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is this idea that

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Travis Taylor or Gary Nolan or sometimes

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these scientists that are associated

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with this stuff when you dig deeper they

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have these Supernatural stories or these

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alien abduction stories or these you

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know creatures followed me home from

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skinwalk or whatever so I think he

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voices things that a lot of people think

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and a lot of people ask about but I

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don't know that he broke any new ground

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as far as you know ufology ufology is

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dead

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um there's one of my favorite articles

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there was an article written in 1976

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at the end of the first season of

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Saturday Night Live and basically it

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sounds like any article you've read a

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million times about Saturday Night Live

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which it says you know the first season

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was really funny but uh the characters

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are old uh the jokes are stale we're

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kind of repeating the same stuff and it

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was basically the same critique I've

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heard of Saturday Night Live my whole

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life which is it used to be funny but

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it's not anymore so I think this idea

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that ufology used to be one thing and

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now it's becoming something else it used

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to be vibrant and now it's dead I just

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think is is a take that somebody who got

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into it relatively recently like it

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seems like Mick has would have that

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opinion where I I know uh I think one of

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the reasons I'm attracted to somewhere

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in this guys and I think there's a

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community of people that treat it like a

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support group which is you've seen

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something you can't explain here's a

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place to come talk about so I think if

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you're a skeptic and you've never seen

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something I could see looking at the

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circumstances and the task force and all

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these other things that going man seems

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like there's a lot of noise but I'm not

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seeing good credible videos or photos or

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pieces of spaceships or whatever so I

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you know I argue this like I said at the

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debrief it's something we talk about in

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the background all the time is is the

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state of ufology and and evidence and

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all that and I think all honestly what I

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really took from the article is mix

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saying what I hear

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mostly skeptical people say which is

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well there's no good evidence there's no

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good evidence it's still kind of like

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what I boil out of the article and I

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think that's a valid point I think uh

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testimonial evidence always in this

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field outweighs the physical evidence to

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this point and then this idea that there

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is good physical evidence there is good

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photos there is good videos there are

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maybe even parts of craft but that's all

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been held from us and that that will

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have to come to fruition or some element

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of people following that will fall away

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I think that's legit I I think a lot of

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people have felt like hey if if we're

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going to hear about whistleblowers that

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worked on physical craft we're either

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going to hear it or we're not and if we

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don't hear it and if there's no

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substance to that or it doesn't turn out

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to be substance to that but I could see

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a lot of people falling away from

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interest for it I I think guys like you

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and me are just always in this always in

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the boat of I saw something I couldn't

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explain I could tell it was real and

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physical I could tell it wasn't

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something I'm used to seeing before it's

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not consistent with other things I would

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see in the sky I like to know what it

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was that I saw so I think those of us

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that live in that category will continue

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to stay interested I think people that

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are looking for

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that great piece of evidence that great

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photo that great video I'm like everyone

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I'm hopeful that comes out but I don't

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know that there's anything that will

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convince people

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definitively I mean

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for me I I think a lot of us testimony

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is enough to say there is something

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there I I reference the Nimitz case all

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the time and I say you know you either

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believe that the three of the four air

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crew that have gone on the record is

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describing this 40 foot long

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rounded-ended Tic-Tac thing moving the

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way it did traveling if the speed it did

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having no control services all that I

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think that either has value for you or

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it doesn't and so I think that's what a

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mick West and people in this category

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are saying is look I've heard the

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stories they sound interesting they

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sound compelling but without physical

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substantive photographs or videos or

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physical material it's not enough for me

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to invest in that story so I think

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that's fair I don't have any problem

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with somebody having that opinion I just

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happen to have a different opinion and

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if you've taken the time to research

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going back to the 1904 40s and the first

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military looking into it even before

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project sign was the the infamous

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Twining memo where Nathan Twining had a

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whole team of people look at it and when

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you move through investigations come at

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a report in France and things like that

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that is still what you see is an

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analysis of testimony analysis of people

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saying this is what I saw so if you are

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somebody who says until I see good photo

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or good video or physical material uh

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their testimony has no value to me and

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so it's corroborated I think you will

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always be that way I just think that's

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where you're going to exist in your

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opinion and I think for those of us I

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hear forever and Dietrich and there was

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one other crew member I can't can't

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remember his name that spoke early on

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when I hear them describe their incident

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I just think it's real I think what they

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saw was a real physical thing I think

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they encountered it I think it moved in

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the way they described I don't know that

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there's any great video or photo or any

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supporting evidence it's a low

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information case so I think if you're

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somebody who needs physical evidence you

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can probably easily dismiss that for me

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I grew up in San Diego I grew up around

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military I grew up around military

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Aviator some extended family of people

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that I know and I just tend to believe

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that those three people who

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independently described what they saw

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saw what they saw and that's a real

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thing and I just want to know what it is

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yeah absolutely man and you know again I

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I think a lot of what mikwa said in this

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article is it's very understandable you

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know he he's even kind of saying as the

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government investigates these things and

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explains them as conventional aircraft

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or spy balloons or weather anomalies uh

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that the ufology that a lot of people

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want you know E.T inter-dimensional Time

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Travelers what have you

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um is going to strip away evaporate

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disappear because we'll be able to

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explain

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a lot if not most of it and that's what

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happens when politics and science

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Collide

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um so I I think you know there was some

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good stuff in there he's so snarky and

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you know I can see why this is published

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in the New York Post of all places

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because of midwest's snark

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um but you know he had some interesting

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points um but I have to disagree with

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him that ufology is dead in fact I wrote

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an article

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um

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a couple years ago it was an essay I

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wrote for a book

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um maybe four or five years ago actually

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called UFOs reframing the debate and my

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essay was called Frankenstein and flying

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saucers and basically my argument was

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um

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ufology

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dies constantly but it always comes back

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it's reanimated just like a Frankenstein

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and I made I showed examples of I think

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it was five different articles in five

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different decades where the headline

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always said ufology is dead UFOs are

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dead

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clearly they're not because this keeps

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happening it's a it's a cyclical thing

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um the phenomenon is always a step ahead

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of us the government's never going to

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fully understand it or explain it away

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therefore ufology isn't going to die

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it's just not so I disagree with him on

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that but I understand why he would think

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that so um yeah I think what those uh

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headlines you're talking about

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throughout the past in this current

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headline what they're saying really is

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they're saying it's dead to me ufology

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is dead to me right this thing that

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fascinated me these witness accounts and

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these stories and blurry videos or

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photos or whatever that fascinated me I

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got deep enough into it I explored it

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enough I read enough about it I heard

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enough testimony I saw the people that

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are involved and I found the whole thing

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not to be credible so to me ufology is

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dead I think that's a that's a fair

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point I I think uh I know there are a

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lot of scientists who feel that that way

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about string theory for instance or feel

534
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that way about dark matter and things

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that we have evidence for but we don't

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have any proof of so I know that people

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can get get so deep into something and

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then go you know what I'm not seeing I

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see a bunch of smoke but I'm never

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finding any fires so I'm out here I I

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think that's a valid thing I just think

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that's what that headline is saying is

543
00:25:39,769 --> 00:25:37,559
not that the rank and file either people

544
00:25:41,810 --> 00:25:39,779
that have seen something or people that

545
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:41,820
know people that they have seen things

546
00:25:45,769 --> 00:25:44,159
that they trust I think those people

547
00:25:47,930 --> 00:25:45,779
will always be there I think those of us

548
00:25:50,269 --> 00:25:47,940
that have seen something and want an

549
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,279
explanation for it will never can I will

550
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,799
never be able to Gaslight myself I will

551
00:25:56,930 --> 00:25:54,960
never be able to tell myself I didn't

552
00:26:00,470 --> 00:25:56,940
see what I saw as much as they wanted

553
00:26:02,570 --> 00:26:00,480
want me to and again I come back to the

554
00:26:04,490 --> 00:26:02,580
you could you could go back to cases in

555
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,500
Michigan in the 60s you can go back to

556
00:26:10,730 --> 00:26:06,480
all kinds of cases with military

557
00:26:13,730 --> 00:26:10,740
aviators seeing really clearly like like

558
00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:13,740
a saucer in daylight that's silvery

559
00:26:17,690 --> 00:26:15,480
that's moving in a certain way it's why

560
00:26:20,769 --> 00:26:17,700
I always bring up the Tic Tac there are

561
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:20,779
some that are either the story is real

562
00:26:25,130 --> 00:26:23,520
and what this person is describing or

563
00:26:27,529 --> 00:26:25,140
people are describing as something they

564
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:27,539
really saw or they're all making it up

565
00:26:31,610 --> 00:26:30,000
and everybody's making it up and favor

566
00:26:33,289 --> 00:26:31,620
and Dietrich and the other crew got

567
00:26:36,769 --> 00:26:33,299
together and said

568
00:26:39,890 --> 00:26:36,779
let's phony up this story that went

569
00:26:42,529 --> 00:26:39,900
nowhere that went into a folder in 2004

570
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:42,539
and disappeared and it wasn't until uh

571
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:45,600
Elizondo dug it up and made it part of

572
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:48,480
his case to the Secretary of the Navy I

573
00:26:53,149 --> 00:26:51,120
believe uh that never got there that was

574
00:26:55,970 --> 00:26:53,159
hey look at this look at what pilots and

575
00:27:00,049 --> 00:26:55,980
air crew are seeing so yeah I think that

576
00:27:02,570 --> 00:27:00,059
the UFO and Dead theme is uh uh I think

577
00:27:04,190 --> 00:27:02,580
we would we would be fine if people that

578
00:27:05,990 --> 00:27:04,200
are skeptical of it have looked at it

579
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,000
have seen enough and have said I don't

580
00:27:10,490 --> 00:27:08,159
see anything there I think it's not

581
00:27:12,350 --> 00:27:10,500
worth time anymore I would agree with

582
00:27:13,850 --> 00:27:12,360
them it's not worth their time they

583
00:27:16,669 --> 00:27:13,860
should move on

584
00:27:18,610 --> 00:27:16,679
move on exactly the rest of us are still

585
00:27:22,909 --> 00:27:18,620
going to be here

586
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:22,919
interested yep for sure absolutely man

587
00:27:28,490 --> 00:27:25,320
um all right well that's enough air time

588
00:27:29,630 --> 00:27:28,500
I want to give to uh Mr Mick West over

589
00:27:31,850 --> 00:27:29,640
there

590
00:27:34,850 --> 00:27:31,860
um if you're watching Mick we love you

591
00:27:37,250 --> 00:27:34,860
we hate you that's ufology that's

592
00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:37,260
heathology let's move on Chris the

593
00:27:40,370 --> 00:27:38,700
reason you're here is because you are

594
00:27:43,010 --> 00:27:40,380
the head science writer over at the

595
00:27:45,890 --> 00:27:43,020
debrief and we've got some really cool

596
00:27:47,210 --> 00:27:45,900
science space news

597
00:27:49,430 --> 00:27:47,220
um and articles that have come out

598
00:27:52,430 --> 00:27:49,440
recently both at the debrief and

599
00:27:54,289 --> 00:27:52,440
elsewhere um so I want to cover those

600
00:27:57,250 --> 00:27:54,299
with you before we get to the second

601
00:28:00,470 --> 00:27:57,260
half of this conversation which involves

602
00:28:02,750 --> 00:28:00,480
a disc during daylight a little tease

603
00:28:07,310 --> 00:28:02,760
for you guys it involves to witness

604
00:28:09,289 --> 00:28:07,320
testimony and involves actual scientists

605
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:09,299
who don't have preconceived notions

606
00:28:14,269 --> 00:28:12,000
about UFOs or stories from Skinwalker

607
00:28:17,330 --> 00:28:14,279
Ranch or anything else an entire team of

608
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:17,340
them taking a look at it so yep uh I

609
00:28:22,250 --> 00:28:19,080
can't wait I can't wait but before we

610
00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:22,260
get there let's talk about this first

611
00:28:25,370 --> 00:28:24,360
story let's see if I can get this in

612
00:28:27,710 --> 00:28:25,380
here

613
00:28:29,810 --> 00:28:27,720
all right the search for

614
00:28:32,810 --> 00:28:29,820
extraterrestrial intelligence to get a

615
00:28:35,390 --> 00:28:32,820
boost from the Colossal radio array in

616
00:28:38,149 --> 00:28:35,400
New Mexico this was an article over at

617
00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:38,159
the debrief by the one and only Micah

618
00:28:41,450 --> 00:28:39,960
Hanks so I'm going to read this briefly

619
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:41,460
and then I really want to get your

620
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:42,840
thoughts on this Chris

621
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,840
um the search for et intelligence seti

622
00:28:50,090 --> 00:28:48,000
will soon be getting help from one of

623
00:28:53,210 --> 00:28:50,100
the world's largest and most powerful

624
00:28:55,130 --> 00:28:53,220
radio telescope arrays as scientists

625
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:55,140
continue to scour the universe for

626
00:29:02,090 --> 00:28:57,919
evidence of E.T and their Technologies

627
00:29:06,590 --> 00:29:02,100
the Carl G jensky very large array I

628
00:29:08,930 --> 00:29:06,600
love that I love it yeah yeah the vla a

629
00:29:10,730 --> 00:29:08,940
National Science Foundation facility is

630
00:29:13,430 --> 00:29:10,740
now collecting data that study

631
00:29:16,010 --> 00:29:13,440
researchers say they will analyze in the

632
00:29:18,409 --> 00:29:16,020
search for emissions from distant

633
00:29:22,370 --> 00:29:18,419
artificial sources that a technological

634
00:29:24,649 --> 00:29:22,380
alien civilization might produce vla is

635
00:29:26,810 --> 00:29:24,659
expected to be as much as a thousand

636
00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:26,820
times more comp comprehensive in its

637
00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:28,860
search for signs of alien techno

638
00:29:34,010 --> 00:29:32,159
signatures than past efforts allowing a

639
00:29:36,529 --> 00:29:34,020
wider variety of Transmissions to be

640
00:29:40,610 --> 00:29:36,539
detected than previous study searches

641
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:40,620
have allowed so this is so cool man seti

642
00:29:45,889 --> 00:29:42,960
has been around forever it could be

643
00:29:47,230 --> 00:29:45,899
argued not much has ever really come of

644
00:29:50,330 --> 00:29:47,240
it you know there have been a few

645
00:29:53,750 --> 00:29:50,340
examples of stuff that possibly they

646
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:53,760
came across um but this is huge now that

647
00:29:58,850 --> 00:29:56,159
other institutions other radio

648
00:30:01,370 --> 00:29:58,860
telescopes are getting involved the most

649
00:30:04,130 --> 00:30:01,380
powerful ones out there this is only

650
00:30:07,070 --> 00:30:04,140
going to increase the chances of steady

651
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:07,080
finally possibly finding something so

652
00:30:12,169 --> 00:30:09,120
what did you make of this story over at

653
00:30:14,210 --> 00:30:12,179
the debrief so you know on like a crime

654
00:30:16,490 --> 00:30:14,220
TV shows where they're trying to track

655
00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:16,500
somebody down and they'll go well we can

656
00:30:21,649 --> 00:30:19,500
we can log into the camera that's set up

657
00:30:23,330 --> 00:30:21,659
for traffic and then we can log in all

658
00:30:26,269 --> 00:30:23,340
these cameras that are set up in front

659
00:30:29,149 --> 00:30:26,279
of banks or other businesses and they

660
00:30:30,590 --> 00:30:29,159
can use this network of cameras that

661
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:30,600
have been set up for entirely different

662
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:33,840
purposes to track a purp oh we saw this

663
00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:35,760
car go in the air and then we saw him

664
00:30:39,049 --> 00:30:37,380
turn down this corner and then he walks

665
00:30:40,970 --> 00:30:39,059
into this building and you can follow

666
00:30:42,350 --> 00:30:40,980
that well that's pretty much the

667
00:30:46,250 --> 00:30:42,360
approach that he's doing here it's

668
00:30:49,370 --> 00:30:46,260
really a genius one is there these uh

669
00:30:51,409 --> 00:30:49,380
radio telescopes that are set up to do

670
00:30:53,149 --> 00:30:51,419
completely other things that they're

671
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:53,159
doing completely other types of research

672
00:30:58,310 --> 00:30:56,399
on the cosmos but really you are a big

673
00:31:00,769 --> 00:30:58,320
part of what they're doing is pointing

674
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:00,779
telescopes and capturing data and so

675
00:31:05,149 --> 00:31:03,600
Sunny came to them and said hey if

676
00:31:08,510 --> 00:31:05,159
you're going to be capturing all this

677
00:31:09,649 --> 00:31:08,520
data anyways can you give us a copy so

678
00:31:12,889 --> 00:31:09,659
that way

679
00:31:14,990 --> 00:31:12,899
while you're looking for uh you know

680
00:31:16,730 --> 00:31:15,000
whatever it is your uh astronomical and

681
00:31:19,490 --> 00:31:16,740
cosmological phenomena you're looking

682
00:31:21,889 --> 00:31:19,500
for in the telescopes we got copies of

683
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:21,899
that data we can look where for what

684
00:31:26,330 --> 00:31:24,480
we're looking for which is sign of you

685
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:26,340
know em admissions from uh

686
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:28,080
technologically advanced civilization

687
00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:31,860
somewhere so it's really again it's the

688
00:31:36,409 --> 00:31:34,200
way of saying well rather than using the

689
00:31:38,810 --> 00:31:36,419
handful of cop cams we have to track

690
00:31:40,490 --> 00:31:38,820
apart let's use every camera in the

691
00:31:42,110 --> 00:31:40,500
neighborhood and track them so that's

692
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,120
what they're doing with these telescopes

693
00:31:45,710 --> 00:31:43,919
and I I wrote about something about this

694
00:31:47,330 --> 00:31:45,720
about a year ago as well with seti and

695
00:31:49,669 --> 00:31:47,340
partnered up with another group of radio

696
00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:49,679
telescopes more or less doing the same

697
00:31:54,649 --> 00:31:52,159
thing and so it's it's essentially

698
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,659
piggybacking on something that's set up

699
00:31:58,669 --> 00:31:56,159
for a whole other purpose and it's like

700
00:32:01,010 --> 00:31:58,679
hey you're grabbing that data throw us a

701
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:01,020
copy over here and uh and we'll take a

702
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:02,640
look at it and I think

703
00:32:07,730 --> 00:32:05,760
the search for techno signatures I think

704
00:32:09,590 --> 00:32:07,740
for a lot of people is a million times

705
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:09,600
more interesting than the search for Bio

706
00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:11,039
signatures you know the search for

707
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,740
biosignatures is looking for life but it

708
00:32:18,110 --> 00:32:15,840
could be microscopic life or plant life

709
00:32:20,149 --> 00:32:18,120
or insects or whatever the search for

710
00:32:23,330 --> 00:32:20,159
techno signatures is exactly that

711
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:23,340
looking for living beings that are using

712
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:26,159
technology that's at least as advanced

713
00:32:31,070 --> 00:32:28,860
as ours because it has em emissions like

714
00:32:34,870 --> 00:32:31,080
your Bluetooth or your Wi-Fi or your

715
00:32:37,549 --> 00:32:34,880
radio or UHF TV VHF any of these things

716
00:32:39,010 --> 00:32:37,559
radar Communications all these eight

717
00:32:41,389 --> 00:32:39,020
ways we put

718
00:32:45,889 --> 00:32:41,399
electromagnetic emissions out into the

719
00:32:49,010 --> 00:32:45,899
ether on the planet Earth uh looking for

720
00:32:51,710 --> 00:32:49,020
those the the original concept of seti

721
00:32:53,690 --> 00:32:51,720
is a really smart fun neat way to look

722
00:32:56,029 --> 00:32:53,700
for techno signatures and it's something

723
00:32:58,669 --> 00:32:56,039
that can be done right from home and in

724
00:33:00,470 --> 00:32:58,679
this case expanding their ability to

725
00:33:02,210 --> 00:33:00,480
scan I don't know what 10 000 star

726
00:33:04,909 --> 00:33:02,220
systems or something they scanned I

727
00:33:07,130 --> 00:33:04,919
think he's uh Seth Shaw stack from City

728
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,140
set up to like a million uh just with

729
00:33:13,610 --> 00:33:09,120
this run off of these telescopes so

730
00:33:15,289 --> 00:33:13,620
right it's a killer smart idea to take

731
00:33:16,250 --> 00:33:15,299
advantage of what's already out there

732
00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:16,260
and

733
00:33:24,710 --> 00:33:22,200
pool of data to uh to look for what

734
00:33:27,350 --> 00:33:24,720
you're looking for which is signs of a

735
00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:27,360
technology uh being used in other star

736
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:30,120
systems yeah well and you know what's

737
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:32,820
cool too is um you know some people in

738
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:35,279
the chat are saying like Escape VFX says

739
00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:38,340
uh said he is so 70s and someone else

740
00:33:42,470 --> 00:33:41,880
said why did seti not do this before

741
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:42,480
um

742
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:45,600
a lot of people do look at seti as kind

743
00:33:51,289 --> 00:33:48,480
of like archaic at this point in terms

744
00:33:54,350 --> 00:33:51,299
of like you know how to search for alien

745
00:33:56,029 --> 00:33:54,360
uh messages or signals

746
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:56,039
um so it's cool to see them kind of

747
00:34:00,289 --> 00:33:57,840
stepping up with the times and being

748
00:34:02,269 --> 00:34:00,299
like Oh there's other ways we could be

749
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,279
doing this in integrating certain things

750
00:34:07,130 --> 00:34:04,799
and I kind of look at it as I saw this

751
00:34:08,990 --> 00:34:07,140
presentation in

752
00:34:10,849 --> 00:34:09,000
um actually at the University of

753
00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:10,859
Southern California

754
00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:12,899
um with an archaeologist her name is

755
00:34:17,710 --> 00:34:15,480
escaping me right now but she gave this

756
00:34:21,169 --> 00:34:17,720
amazing talk where she created a company

757
00:34:24,589 --> 00:34:21,179
where citizen archaeologists and amateur

758
00:34:28,909 --> 00:34:24,599
archaeologists could use you know

759
00:34:31,609 --> 00:34:28,919
satellite mapping to help find areas to

760
00:34:34,430 --> 00:34:31,619
quote unquote digitally dig in in

761
00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:34,440
certain areas so you know this opens up

762
00:34:41,570 --> 00:34:38,760
an entire new world of uh archeology and

763
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,580
we're seeing this when it comes to uh

764
00:34:45,950 --> 00:34:43,440
stuff like this as well

765
00:34:49,250 --> 00:34:45,960
um mapping certain areas of outer space

766
00:34:51,889 --> 00:34:49,260
and and areas of star systems and

767
00:34:54,290 --> 00:34:51,899
letting the public get involved too

768
00:34:56,990 --> 00:34:54,300
um so I hope and I wonder if not only

769
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,000
you know the very large array in city

770
00:35:01,970 --> 00:34:59,760
but other groups like this like Avi

771
00:35:05,570 --> 00:35:01,980
lobes group and stuff like that we'll

772
00:35:07,730 --> 00:35:05,580
start using the public to also become

773
00:35:10,190 --> 00:35:07,740
involved with this stuff and kind of

774
00:35:13,010 --> 00:35:10,200
group group think the whole thing I I

775
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,020
think it'll only quadruple the efforts

776
00:35:16,730 --> 00:35:14,880
of any of these things what do you think

777
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:16,740
about like the public getting involved

778
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:18,720
with these sorts I I think it's a great

779
00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:22,079
idea I'm a big believer in using what's

780
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:23,760
already available you know I talked

781
00:35:28,730 --> 00:35:27,359
about them pick piggybacking onto these

782
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:28,740
telescopes that are being used for

783
00:35:33,069 --> 00:35:31,440
something else I wrote uh one one time

784
00:35:35,870 --> 00:35:33,079
about a uh

785
00:35:38,750 --> 00:35:35,880
Esa European Space Agency scientist

786
00:35:41,089 --> 00:35:38,760
Philip alieris and he basically made a

787
00:35:43,730 --> 00:35:41,099
proposal that said look we have these

788
00:35:45,349 --> 00:35:43,740
satellites that go around Mars one of

789
00:35:48,890 --> 00:35:45,359
them is called the Mars reconnaissance

790
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:48,900
Orbiter and what it does is it takes all

791
00:35:54,349 --> 00:35:51,119
these amazing photographs that are in

792
00:35:56,690 --> 00:35:54,359
really high def quality of Mars and

793
00:35:59,569 --> 00:35:56,700
there are these huge databases of inch

794
00:36:01,310 --> 00:35:59,579
by inch photos of the entire planet that

795
00:36:02,990 --> 00:36:01,320
we really haven't had the time to comb

796
00:36:05,450 --> 00:36:03,000
through every single photo and look at

797
00:36:07,130 --> 00:36:05,460
every single thing so his idea was to

798
00:36:09,770 --> 00:36:07,140
write software that could look at those

799
00:36:12,170 --> 00:36:09,780
HD photos and look for things that

800
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:12,180
seemed artificial in nature it's a way

801
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:14,640
to search for techno signatures so again

802
00:36:18,650 --> 00:36:17,040
taking a database of information that

803
00:36:21,370 --> 00:36:18,660
was collected for something completely

804
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,380
different and using it to search for uh

805
00:36:25,730 --> 00:36:23,760
extraterrestrial intelligence I will say

806
00:36:28,190 --> 00:36:25,740
to the people that are saying seti is

807
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,200
very 1970s for my money

808
00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:30,480
as someone who grew up in the 70s that's

809
00:36:36,650 --> 00:36:33,420
very cool but I will say this I do think

810
00:36:38,810 --> 00:36:36,660
that if we're to find techno signatures

811
00:36:41,930 --> 00:36:38,820
now I know there's some hope that like

812
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:41,940
Galileo will find uh you know a photo of

813
00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:43,920
a spaceship in our atmosphere just

814
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:45,960
outside our atmosphere there may be some

815
00:36:50,329 --> 00:36:48,480
things like that that happen but I still

816
00:36:53,170 --> 00:36:50,339
think that if we're going to find signs

817
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:53,180
of Technology from another civilization

818
00:36:58,970 --> 00:36:55,920
seti at least another a civilization on

819
00:37:01,609 --> 00:36:58,980
another planet because I'm more of an ET

820
00:37:03,770 --> 00:37:01,619
hypothesis guy as opposed to dimensions

821
00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:03,780
and all that I can explain that but

822
00:37:10,910 --> 00:37:08,160
basically I do think that uh seti is

823
00:37:13,790 --> 00:37:10,920
still a strong bet for finding that sort

824
00:37:15,650 --> 00:37:13,800
of a technological signature one other

825
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:15,660
just since we're on it I'll mention this

826
00:37:21,290 --> 00:37:17,579
one other thing I wrote about at the

827
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:21,300
debris uh not that long ago as there's a

828
00:37:28,130 --> 00:37:24,720
huge telescope run by Caltech and it's

829
00:37:31,130 --> 00:37:28,140
uh it's the laser interferometer gravity

830
00:37:34,970 --> 00:37:31,140
Invitational wave Observatory or ligo

831
00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:34,980
and what ligo did back in like 2015 or

832
00:37:40,670 --> 00:37:39,000
so it proved Einstein's theory of a

833
00:37:43,130 --> 00:37:40,680
gravitational waves or essentially

834
00:37:45,530 --> 00:37:43,140
ripples in space time so like when

835
00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:45,540
you're zooming through space just the

836
00:37:50,210 --> 00:37:47,099
way you would leave ripples on the top

837
00:37:52,910 --> 00:37:50,220
of a pond a a spacecraft especially if

838
00:37:54,829 --> 00:37:52,920
it's very massive or warping space so

839
00:37:56,750 --> 00:37:54,839
using like a warp drive or a faster than

840
00:38:00,349 --> 00:37:56,760
light drive would leave these

841
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:00,359
gravitational waves behind it so the

842
00:38:06,530 --> 00:38:03,440
assistant dean of uh

843
00:38:09,050 --> 00:38:06,540
uh assistant dean of physics I believe

844
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:09,060
at Carnegie Mellon partnered up with

845
00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:10,800
this group called applied physics and

846
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:12,420
we'll we'll talk some about them later

847
00:38:16,190 --> 00:38:14,820
they're a group of physicists and they

848
00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:16,200
got together and they wrote this paper

849
00:38:22,970 --> 00:38:19,740
and they basically said if we used ligo

850
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:22,980
and programmed it the right way and and

851
00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:26,160
again use data they've already captured

852
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:29,700
we could survey star systems and look

853
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:32,640
for ripples in in space-time that would

854
00:38:37,849 --> 00:38:35,040
indicate people or somebody or somewhere

855
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,859
or some technological civilization is is

856
00:38:42,230 --> 00:38:40,079
using warp drive and it's a really

857
00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:42,240
straightforward in the same way that a

858
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:45,480
seti is just looking for emissions this

859
00:38:51,050 --> 00:38:48,240
would just look for a ripples in

860
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:51,060
space-time created by extreme gravity

861
00:38:56,990 --> 00:38:54,300
they're a massive object like a uh you

862
00:39:00,290 --> 00:38:57,000
know a huge like planetoid sized

863
00:39:03,650 --> 00:39:00,300
spacecraft or a small spacecraft that's

864
00:39:07,790 --> 00:39:03,660
using a warp drive and is is uh Rippling

865
00:39:10,370 --> 00:39:07,800
space-time behind it so uh it's not just

866
00:39:13,069 --> 00:39:10,380
seti anymore there's a lot of new

867
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:13,079
approaches to how would we find

868
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,800
technology in space around other planets

869
00:39:21,170 --> 00:39:19,200
or coming from other civilizations so

870
00:39:23,450 --> 00:39:21,180
whether it's looking through photos at

871
00:39:26,150 --> 00:39:23,460
Mars or whether it's looking for

872
00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:26,160
you know waves in space time and other

873
00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:29,940
places looking for pollution in the

874
00:39:35,390 --> 00:39:32,460
atmosphere of exoplanets that would

875
00:39:38,329 --> 00:39:35,400
indicate an industrialized Society I

876
00:39:41,150 --> 00:39:38,339
think seti is just one version of that

877
00:39:44,270 --> 00:39:41,160
and I'm very still a promising one in my

878
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,280
opinion but it's just opened up this

879
00:39:48,530 --> 00:39:46,320
array as you've said of all these

880
00:39:50,390 --> 00:39:48,540
different ways people are doing it and

881
00:39:52,670 --> 00:39:50,400
there's there's more to come as science

882
00:39:55,490 --> 00:39:52,680
gets more advanced we will find new

883
00:39:59,990 --> 00:39:55,500
smarter and better ways to look for life

884
00:40:02,089 --> 00:40:00,000
in the cosmos absolutely well that's the

885
00:40:04,910 --> 00:40:02,099
perfect transition transition Chris

886
00:40:06,290 --> 00:40:04,920
actually for our next story um you

887
00:40:09,410 --> 00:40:06,300
couldn't have hit it any better brother

888
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:09,420
I'm gonna get to this one right now

889
00:40:15,950 --> 00:40:12,960
alien alien civilizations may be able to

890
00:40:18,829 --> 00:40:15,960
send us messages by the end of the

891
00:40:21,290 --> 00:40:18,839
decade here we go let me read a little

892
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:21,300
bit about this one according to a new

893
00:40:26,210 --> 00:40:23,280
study some of the strongest radio

894
00:40:28,130 --> 00:40:26,220
signals have reached far off stars and

895
00:40:31,069 --> 00:40:28,140
apparently if those Stars happen to be

896
00:40:33,650 --> 00:40:31,079
home to ET life that could respond to

897
00:40:37,550 --> 00:40:33,660
our ping we could be hearing back as

898
00:40:39,410 --> 00:40:37,560
early as 2029. the team behind this

899
00:40:43,849 --> 00:40:39,420
recent study wanted to see if signals

900
00:40:45,650 --> 00:40:43,859
from NASA's deep space Network or DSN uh

901
00:40:47,690 --> 00:40:45,660
the super powered and super focused

902
00:40:50,089 --> 00:40:47,700
radio array used to communicate with

903
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:50,099
deep space missions like Voyager and New

904
00:40:55,790 --> 00:40:52,560
Horizons could have run into any

905
00:40:57,950 --> 00:40:55,800
exoplanets by now that might host life

906
00:41:00,530 --> 00:40:57,960
the team tracked the signal set out by

907
00:41:02,750 --> 00:41:00,540
the DSN and found a few stars that may

908
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:02,760
have been hit by the radio waves the

909
00:41:07,370 --> 00:41:05,280
nearest is a white dwarf star a tiny

910
00:41:10,310 --> 00:41:07,380
very Dense Star that can form when a

911
00:41:12,650 --> 00:41:10,320
larger star dies located 27 light years

912
00:41:14,270 --> 00:41:12,660
away that may have been hit by a

913
00:41:18,050 --> 00:41:14,280
communication sent to a mission called

914
00:41:20,329 --> 00:41:18,060
pioneer 10. if there is a planet around

915
00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:20,339
that star and that planet responded as

916
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:22,320
soon as they got our message we could

917
00:41:28,130 --> 00:41:25,200
hear back as soon as 2029

918
00:41:30,109 --> 00:41:28,140
last paragraph here the goal of this

919
00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:30,119
study was to provide potential targets

920
00:41:35,089 --> 00:41:33,000
for further analysis in the search for

921
00:41:37,730 --> 00:41:35,099
et life any kind of narrowing of the

922
00:41:40,250 --> 00:41:37,740
field is helpful as searching the whole

923
00:41:42,589 --> 00:41:40,260
sky for transmissions is understandably

924
00:41:44,329 --> 00:41:42,599
difficult the Curiosity and hope

925
00:41:46,490 --> 00:41:44,339
attached to the potential of finding

926
00:41:50,270 --> 00:41:46,500
alien life is pushing the field of

927
00:41:52,370 --> 00:41:50,280
astronomy forward now more than ever I

928
00:41:54,829 --> 00:41:52,380
mean this this article came out I

929
00:41:57,530 --> 00:41:54,839
believe it was Popular Mechanics

930
00:41:59,690 --> 00:41:57,540
um just recently Chris and you you just

931
00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:59,700
touched on all of this you know the fact

932
00:42:04,430 --> 00:42:02,160
that we're we're narrowing in instead of

933
00:42:07,069 --> 00:42:04,440
just sending out sweeping you know

934
00:42:09,410 --> 00:42:07,079
casting a wide net we're now narrowing

935
00:42:12,530 --> 00:42:09,420
in on places where these Transmissions

936
00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:12,540
could possibly have gone and what

937
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:15,660
happens when a transmission goes out you

938
00:42:20,589 --> 00:42:18,480
hope for a transmission back so yeah

939
00:42:24,109 --> 00:42:20,599
what did you make of this as early as

940
00:42:25,970 --> 00:42:24,119
2029. yeah so the the math there was

941
00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:25,980
pretty straightforward right they looked

942
00:42:30,530 --> 00:42:28,740
at these uh hand you know because most

943
00:42:34,790 --> 00:42:30,540
of the signals we send out in this space

944
00:42:37,069 --> 00:42:34,800
you know like a a TV uh UHF broadcaster

945
00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:37,079
a VHF broadcast something like that is

946
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:38,940
going to scatter and get so diffuse as

947
00:42:44,030 --> 00:42:40,800
it goes then it probably won't be picked

948
00:42:46,970 --> 00:42:44,040
up by a uh a civilization that's 10 15

949
00:42:49,490 --> 00:42:46,980
20 light years away uh uh contrary to

950
00:42:51,410 --> 00:42:49,500
the movie contact where they pick up the

951
00:42:55,310 --> 00:42:51,420
first TV broadcast of the Berlin

952
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:55,320
Olympics in 1928 and you know send it

953
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,079
back to us unless they were just maybe a

954
00:43:01,790 --> 00:43:00,480
light year or two away and have picked

955
00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:01,800
it up at the time but otherwise it's

956
00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:03,839
going to be too diffuse so what these

957
00:43:06,410 --> 00:43:04,980
guys did I thought it was really

958
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:06,420
interesting and a really cool approach

959
00:43:12,170 --> 00:43:08,240
is they said okay

960
00:43:14,690 --> 00:43:12,180
what radio or or electromagnetic signals

961
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:14,700
have we sent in the space

962
00:43:20,809 --> 00:43:17,220
that would be strong enough and coherent

963
00:43:22,730 --> 00:43:20,819
enough that uh if if it could be picked

964
00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:22,740
up so the same way we're talking about

965
00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:25,740
seti looking for those signals coming to

966
00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:28,800
us these guys were saying if aliens were

967
00:43:33,170 --> 00:43:30,660
out there on different planets and they

968
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:33,180
were listening and we're sending out

969
00:43:39,890 --> 00:43:36,000
these signals not to them but for our

970
00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:39,900
own Communications purposes and it went

971
00:43:46,550 --> 00:43:43,560
out there who who might hear it and how

972
00:43:49,250 --> 00:43:46,560
quickly could they react in kind by

973
00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:49,260
sending us a radio signal back so they

974
00:43:53,329 --> 00:43:51,480
basically yeah said where did these

975
00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:53,339
signals go they looked at where they

976
00:43:58,730 --> 00:43:56,040
went into space and kind of drew a line

977
00:44:00,770 --> 00:43:58,740
for each one and said okay these are

978
00:44:03,650 --> 00:44:00,780
these handful of really powerful signals

979
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:03,660
that went out into space that could that

980
00:44:07,490 --> 00:44:05,280
stay coherent enough would be picked up

981
00:44:10,910 --> 00:44:07,500
by another civilization and then they

982
00:44:13,790 --> 00:44:10,920
said along those beams into space

983
00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:13,800
could it have run into some planets so

984
00:44:18,290 --> 00:44:15,960
they didn't find any and this was key

985
00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:18,300
they didn't find any of those handful of

986
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:20,280
strong signals they followed had

987
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:23,280
actually run into any known exoplanets

988
00:44:28,010 --> 00:44:25,920
any of the 5 000 couple hundred planets

989
00:44:30,530 --> 00:44:28,020
that we've already confirmed uh outside

990
00:44:32,990 --> 00:44:30,540
of our own solar system but it did come

991
00:44:35,690 --> 00:44:33,000
close enough and I think they pointed

992
00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:35,700
out one star system that they said okay

993
00:44:41,210 --> 00:44:39,240
if this star system has planets and it

994
00:44:43,130 --> 00:44:41,220
has technologically advanced

995
00:44:46,490 --> 00:44:43,140
civilization a couple of leaps but

996
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:46,500
nonetheless if this one because of the

997
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:49,440
distance it is the 27 years it would

998
00:44:54,530 --> 00:44:52,560
have taken the signal to get there in uh

999
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:54,540
real time and then if they replied

1000
00:45:00,950 --> 00:44:57,839
immediately uh there would take 27 years

1001
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:00,960
to get back well 18 of those 27 years

1002
00:45:06,290 --> 00:45:03,359
coming back have already passed so

1003
00:45:08,809 --> 00:45:06,300
they're saying it's possible or or I

1004
00:45:10,849 --> 00:45:08,819
guess 21 of them so it's possible that

1005
00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:10,859
six years from now

1006
00:45:17,750 --> 00:45:14,700
when all 27 years have uh have elapsed

1007
00:45:20,329 --> 00:45:17,760
that if they got that signal on this

1008
00:45:22,010 --> 00:45:20,339
theoretical planet and they replied to

1009
00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:22,020
it said hey we just picked up a signal

1010
00:45:28,370 --> 00:45:25,020
from your satellite uh hello people of

1011
00:45:32,349 --> 00:45:28,380
Earth and then the time we would pick

1012
00:45:34,790 --> 00:45:32,359
that up is in 2029 so that's of the the

1013
00:45:37,130 --> 00:45:34,800
blasts we've sent in the space of

1014
00:45:38,809 --> 00:45:37,140
electromagnetic radiation the handful

1015
00:45:40,309 --> 00:45:38,819
that are strong enough to be picked up

1016
00:45:42,290 --> 00:45:40,319
somewhere

1017
00:45:44,569 --> 00:45:42,300
um yeah that's what they did it's a it's

1018
00:45:46,250 --> 00:45:44,579
a cool way to go yeah like where might

1019
00:45:48,589 --> 00:45:46,260
of these signals have gone who might

1020
00:45:51,230 --> 00:45:48,599
have heard them and if they replied how

1021
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,240
how soon might we hear back assuming

1022
00:45:55,790 --> 00:45:53,520
that uh like us they're limited to the

1023
00:45:57,589 --> 00:45:55,800
speed of light in their communication uh

1024
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,599
to send radio waves back to us at the

1025
00:46:02,569 --> 00:45:59,520
speed of light how quickly could we have

1026
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:02,579
heard back so yeah 2029 is only six

1027
00:46:07,849 --> 00:46:05,520
years away so if there's a planet along

1028
00:46:09,410 --> 00:46:07,859
the line of that one deep uh space in

1029
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:09,420
that alert satellite they talked about

1030
00:46:14,270 --> 00:46:12,000
and it picked up our thing and they've

1031
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:14,280
replied right away yeah we could hear

1032
00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:17,520
back in theory yeah what do you hope the

1033
00:46:20,450 --> 00:46:19,380
reply will be Chris

1034
00:46:22,190 --> 00:46:20,460
oh

1035
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:22,200
you know

1036
00:46:26,510 --> 00:46:24,480
I I wrote an article about this like two

1037
00:46:27,650 --> 00:46:26,520
years ago where this is before two and a

1038
00:46:29,569 --> 00:46:27,660
half years ago before I was at the

1039
00:46:33,050 --> 00:46:29,579
debris if I wrote a fun piece about like

1040
00:46:36,770 --> 00:46:33,060
the five questions I would ask E.T and

1041
00:46:38,630 --> 00:46:36,780
uh one of my jokes was uh uh do you guys

1042
00:46:40,250 --> 00:46:38,640
have copies of all the old black and

1043
00:46:43,309 --> 00:46:40,260
white movies that have been lost right

1044
00:46:45,710 --> 00:46:43,319
because if those were broadcast on TV in

1045
00:46:47,630 --> 00:46:45,720
the early days and they grabbed those

1046
00:46:49,609 --> 00:46:47,640
signals out of space but as I said I

1047
00:46:51,470 --> 00:46:49,619
ultimately learned it would be too

1048
00:46:55,250 --> 00:46:51,480
diffuse so what would you like to hear

1049
00:46:58,190 --> 00:46:55,260
that that reply say Ryan oh man I mean

1050
00:47:00,589 --> 00:46:58,200
obviously it all depends on what you

1051
00:47:02,829 --> 00:47:00,599
know they got from us you know what met

1052
00:47:05,210 --> 00:47:02,839
which message got out to them right

1053
00:47:07,970 --> 00:47:05,220
transmission what if all their message

1054
00:47:15,309 --> 00:47:07,980
back said was uh stay right there yeah

1055
00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:18,109
it really really depends I I always go

1056
00:47:24,349 --> 00:47:21,180
back to like you know contact when what

1057
00:47:27,410 --> 00:47:24,359
they got was the Olympics where Hitler

1058
00:47:30,770 --> 00:47:27,420
was there and I'm just like no please no

1059
00:47:32,930 --> 00:47:30,780
please don't be anything like that but

1060
00:47:34,690 --> 00:47:32,940
um you never know you never truly know

1061
00:47:38,829 --> 00:47:34,700
so yeah

1062
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:38,839
that broadcast from the the first like

1063
00:47:43,730 --> 00:47:41,040
television broadcast it was broadcast

1064
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:43,740
close circuit in Germany I think it was

1065
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,760
the 1928 or 1932 Olympics uh and Hitler

1066
00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:49,440
yeah kind of put out the first

1067
00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,079
television broadcast to a handful of

1068
00:47:56,450 --> 00:47:54,240
sets around the country

1069
00:47:58,730 --> 00:47:56,460
um just to prove his technological

1070
00:48:01,250 --> 00:47:58,740
ability that signal shouldn't have been

1071
00:48:04,790 --> 00:48:01,260
strong enough to make it to another star

1072
00:48:07,609 --> 00:48:04,800
system uh coherently so if we do hear

1073
00:48:10,190 --> 00:48:07,619
back from them yeah it would probably be

1074
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:10,200
uh whatever the data was that this deep

1075
00:48:15,410 --> 00:48:12,960
uh you know coherent signal what did

1076
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:15,420
they say that uh I forget the name of

1077
00:48:20,150 --> 00:48:17,280
the satellite Network that they tracked

1078
00:48:22,010 --> 00:48:20,160
in the story you just read but yeah it

1079
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,020
was a deep space satellite Network so

1080
00:48:25,790 --> 00:48:24,000
yeah like yeah they would pick up some

1081
00:48:27,530 --> 00:48:25,800
weird technological data that our

1082
00:48:30,230 --> 00:48:27,540
satellites were communicating with each

1083
00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:30,240
other and uh you know maybe send us back

1084
00:48:35,690 --> 00:48:33,180
something in binary and we'd be like I I

1085
00:48:36,890 --> 00:48:35,700
don't know what that is yes please

1086
00:48:38,690 --> 00:48:36,900
repeat

1087
00:48:42,109 --> 00:48:38,700
um what do you guys think we want to

1088
00:48:44,270 --> 00:48:42,119
know so what do you hope the reply will

1089
00:48:46,670 --> 00:48:44,280
be or what message do we get back put it

1090
00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:46,680
in the comments below I've got a couple

1091
00:48:50,569 --> 00:48:48,180
in the live chat I'm going to read Chris

1092
00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:50,579
before we move on to our last story

1093
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:52,500
before we get to your amazing story at

1094
00:48:55,130 --> 00:48:53,520
the debrief

1095
00:48:56,690 --> 00:48:55,140
um if aliens are picking up our TV

1096
00:48:58,730 --> 00:48:56,700
broadcast I really hope they love

1097
00:49:02,450 --> 00:48:58,740
Seinfeld

1098
00:49:04,190 --> 00:49:02,460
um someone said Teletubbies

1099
00:49:06,770 --> 00:49:04,200
um oh my God they're watching those

1100
00:49:08,530 --> 00:49:06,780
terrible Kardashians

1101
00:49:12,109 --> 00:49:08,540
um someone else said I hope it's Pokemon

1102
00:49:14,030 --> 00:49:12,119
which I think that would be awesome

1103
00:49:16,730 --> 00:49:14,040
um hey Jess Shaw is here welcome Jazz

1104
00:49:18,470 --> 00:49:16,740
welcome is always good friend

1105
00:49:20,270 --> 00:49:18,480
um I was too late no you're not it's

1106
00:49:21,710 --> 00:49:20,280
never too late to join somewhere in the

1107
00:49:24,050 --> 00:49:21,720
library yeah we were just about to start

1108
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:24,060
gossiping about you now Jack yep yep now

1109
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:25,440
we can start talking about jazz

1110
00:49:30,290 --> 00:49:28,380
everyone's saying hello Jazz he's such a

1111
00:49:32,569 --> 00:49:30,300
celebrity here at the show and so is

1112
00:49:34,970 --> 00:49:32,579
Douglas Sprague Douglas Sprague did pop

1113
00:49:37,970 --> 00:49:34,980
in I heard he was doing some yard work

1114
00:49:39,410 --> 00:49:37,980
there in central New York so hello to

1115
00:49:40,609 --> 00:49:39,420
the Sprague family if you're still

1116
00:49:42,710 --> 00:49:40,619
watching

1117
00:49:44,930 --> 00:49:42,720
um there my father Chris is becoming

1118
00:49:47,809 --> 00:49:44,940
more popular than I am on my own show I

1119
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,819
told him that the other day and he loved

1120
00:49:51,770 --> 00:49:49,680
hearing that it was probably it was

1121
00:49:52,609 --> 00:49:51,780
probably bound to happen it was bound to

1122
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:52,619
happen

1123
00:49:56,750 --> 00:49:54,900
Doug Sprague he is the coolest guy ever

1124
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:56,760
man like if I told you stories that he's

1125
00:50:00,410 --> 00:49:57,839
told me

1126
00:50:02,690 --> 00:50:00,420
um he's just basically Kelso from That

1127
00:50:04,609 --> 00:50:02,700
70s Show oh my God hey can I ask a

1128
00:50:06,530 --> 00:50:04,619
technically was he the person that you

1129
00:50:09,290 --> 00:50:06,540
were with when you had your UFO sighting

1130
00:50:11,089 --> 00:50:09,300
as a kid yes yeah yeah Doug Sprague that

1131
00:50:12,650 --> 00:50:11,099
was my dad I seem to remember hearing

1132
00:50:16,970 --> 00:50:12,660
that when I first met you a couple years

1133
00:50:18,829 --> 00:50:16,980
ago I briefly had him talk about it

1134
00:50:20,329 --> 00:50:18,839
um on a live stream a really long time

1135
00:50:22,609 --> 00:50:20,339
ago but I got to get him on to actually

1136
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:22,619
talk how old of a guy was he when that

1137
00:50:27,950 --> 00:50:24,480
happened do you remember

1138
00:50:29,569 --> 00:50:27,960
so oh gosh she's gonna kill me for aging

1139
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:29,579
him right now

1140
00:50:33,890 --> 00:50:30,480
um

1141
00:50:36,770 --> 00:50:33,900
God I don't know how old he was when I

1142
00:50:38,569 --> 00:50:36,780
how old was he when you were born right

1143
00:50:40,010 --> 00:50:38,579
when I was born

1144
00:50:42,130 --> 00:50:40,020
um

1145
00:50:45,050 --> 00:50:42,140
oh my gosh

1146
00:50:46,849 --> 00:50:45,060
everybody I know that it's clearly not

1147
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:46,859
working thanks Chris

1148
00:50:52,970 --> 00:50:50,640
um I'm gonna say he's in his late 50s

1149
00:50:55,250 --> 00:50:52,980
early 60s right now

1150
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:55,260
so he's not far from my age then yeah I

1151
00:50:59,690 --> 00:50:56,880
don't want to give it away

1152
00:51:02,630 --> 00:50:59,700
um just in case he doesn't want me to um

1153
00:51:07,069 --> 00:51:02,640
he's still got those Dashing Young looks

1154
00:51:10,010 --> 00:51:07,079
like uh like I do which Sprague looks

1155
00:51:12,829 --> 00:51:10,020
yeah which are evaporating rapidly as

1156
00:51:14,809 --> 00:51:12,839
the days go on but um anyways hello to

1157
00:51:18,589 --> 00:51:14,819
Doug sprag hello to Jazz

1158
00:51:20,089 --> 00:51:18,599
um awesome man well let's move on to our

1159
00:51:22,190 --> 00:51:20,099
last story

1160
00:51:25,790 --> 00:51:22,200
um before we get to the Crux of the

1161
00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:25,800
conversation and that is this one a

1162
00:51:32,329 --> 00:51:28,380
massive Blue Hole just showed up near

1163
00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:32,339
Mexico new life forms may be inside

1164
00:51:37,309 --> 00:51:35,460
um this came from pop mechanics as well

1165
00:51:40,790 --> 00:51:37,319
um I'll read a little bit

1166
00:51:43,549 --> 00:51:40,800
scientists from calagio de la Fronteras

1167
00:51:45,770 --> 00:51:43,559
or have discovered a massive Blue Hole

1168
00:51:49,010 --> 00:51:45,780
off the Southeastern coast of the

1169
00:51:51,170 --> 00:51:49,020
Yucatan Peninsula peninsula in Mexico it

1170
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:51,180
spans 147

1171
00:51:56,809 --> 00:51:54,480
000 square feet across and dips 900 feet

1172
00:51:59,690 --> 00:51:56,819
down while the new Blue Hole was

1173
00:52:01,790 --> 00:51:59,700
discovered in 2021 the researchers only

1174
00:52:04,670 --> 00:52:01,800
recently detailed their findings in a

1175
00:52:07,309 --> 00:52:04,680
study published in Frontiers in Marine

1176
00:52:10,130 --> 00:52:07,319
Science with a circular opening near the

1177
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,140
surface just 15 feet below sea level the

1178
00:52:15,890 --> 00:52:12,720
Steep 80 degree plus slopes form a large

1179
00:52:19,250 --> 00:52:15,900
conic structure that scientists say is

1180
00:52:23,450 --> 00:52:19,260
covered by biofilms sediments Limestone

1181
00:52:25,670 --> 00:52:23,460
and gypsum Ledges last paragraph here

1182
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:25,680
studying the microbial diversity of

1183
00:52:30,049 --> 00:52:27,839
these blue holes can offer a glimpse

1184
00:52:32,270 --> 00:52:30,059
into the type of Life surviving in the

1185
00:52:34,130 --> 00:52:32,280
unique environment these gas-rich

1186
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:34,140
environments that fill with hydrogen

1187
00:52:39,230 --> 00:52:37,260
sulfide don't destroy all life but

1188
00:52:42,170 --> 00:52:39,240
instead give a home to more extreme

1189
00:52:44,210 --> 00:52:42,180
biology that finds comfort in oxygen

1190
00:52:47,089 --> 00:52:44,220
depleted areas

1191
00:52:49,970 --> 00:52:47,099
this unique mixture of water properties

1192
00:52:52,250 --> 00:52:49,980
and biological life invite scientists to

1193
00:52:54,349 --> 00:52:52,260
explore the depths of blue holes to

1194
00:52:56,990 --> 00:52:54,359
learn more about their makeup and the

1195
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:57,000
life that can exist Within

1196
00:53:01,370 --> 00:52:59,760
so this is so cool Chris extremophiles

1197
00:53:04,130 --> 00:53:01,380
as it were

1198
00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:04,140
um these deep blue holes in our oceans

1199
00:53:09,710 --> 00:53:06,540
that they're finding I mean this this

1200
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,720
kind of reminds me of you know a lot of

1201
00:53:14,510 --> 00:53:11,280
the theories that maybe something like

1202
00:53:16,490 --> 00:53:14,520
the Tic Tac was something from under the

1203
00:53:17,930 --> 00:53:16,500
water that had been there for a really

1204
00:53:19,970 --> 00:53:17,940
long time

1205
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:19,980
um but not even like intelligent life

1206
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:24,000
just life we've never thought possible

1207
00:53:28,490 --> 00:53:27,359
in in these deep blue holes in our ocean

1208
00:53:30,109 --> 00:53:28,500
so

1209
00:53:32,030 --> 00:53:30,119
um what did you think of this story with

1210
00:53:35,089 --> 00:53:32,040
the National Oceanic and Atmospheric

1211
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:35,099
Administration I I think the coolest

1212
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:36,960
thing that I take away from something

1213
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:39,839
like this is you know 150 years ago

1214
00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:42,720
Evolution or survival of the fittest or

1215
00:53:47,630 --> 00:53:46,200
the Origin of Species was all Theory and

1216
00:53:50,270 --> 00:53:47,640
now it's just something we see take

1217
00:53:52,730 --> 00:53:50,280
place practically all the time so if you

1218
00:53:54,650 --> 00:53:52,740
take if you go in your backyard and you

1219
00:53:56,930 --> 00:53:54,660
take a hundred birds that are living in

1220
00:54:00,049 --> 00:53:56,940
the tree and you put 50 of them and one

1221
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,059
City and 50 of them in another city and

1222
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:02,160
you come back after a period of time you

1223
00:54:06,410 --> 00:54:03,599
know a couple of years or a couple of

1224
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:06,420
decades they will have speciated which

1225
00:54:13,010 --> 00:54:08,880
means they will have reacted to their

1226
00:54:15,230 --> 00:54:13,020
environment by uh survival mechanisms

1227
00:54:17,630 --> 00:54:15,240
and some things that you know if you put

1228
00:54:19,250 --> 00:54:17,640
a group in a really cold environment the

1229
00:54:21,109 --> 00:54:19,260
ones that weren't adapted to the cold

1230
00:54:24,170 --> 00:54:21,119
environment would die but if enough of

1231
00:54:26,930 --> 00:54:24,180
them survived and and and uh reproduced

1232
00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:26,940
you would get a a more hearty cold

1233
00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:29,460
environment bird and then if you went

1234
00:54:33,710 --> 00:54:31,020
and looked at this other one another hot

1235
00:54:37,190 --> 00:54:33,720
environment same exact thing so when you

1236
00:54:39,530 --> 00:54:37,200
have these extreme areas like this you

1237
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:39,540
know they found life under icebergs in

1238
00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:43,920
Antarctica they found life deep in caves

1239
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:47,160
and Chile like down in these mines I

1240
00:54:51,950 --> 00:54:49,380
mean where we find these extreme life

1241
00:54:54,170 --> 00:54:51,960
worms what it really says to me and this

1242
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:54,180
is something one of the reasons I argue

1243
00:55:02,450 --> 00:54:57,599
for the ET hypothesis all the time

1244
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:02,460
is that uh as uh Jeff Goldblum said uh

1245
00:55:08,150 --> 00:55:05,040
in uh Jurassic Park life finds a way and

1246
00:55:10,730 --> 00:55:08,160
it really does I mean that's the most

1247
00:55:12,650 --> 00:55:10,740
amazing thing you go to Chernobyl and

1248
00:55:14,809 --> 00:55:12,660
you go right outside the nuclear power

1249
00:55:17,690 --> 00:55:14,819
plant where it's still super irradiated

1250
00:55:19,309 --> 00:55:17,700
and they have dogs and pigs and birds

1251
00:55:21,650 --> 00:55:19,319
and all kinds of things that have

1252
00:55:24,069 --> 00:55:21,660
reacted to that radiation of essentially

1253
00:55:27,710 --> 00:55:24,079
species they've essentially turned into

1254
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:27,720
a new version of that old life form that

1255
00:55:31,970 --> 00:55:29,640
can survive in that extreme environment

1256
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:31,980
one thing you mentioned about this hole

1257
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:35,280
that I thought was really key is this

1258
00:55:40,970 --> 00:55:38,160
idea of sulfur and a low oxygen

1259
00:55:43,730 --> 00:55:40,980
environment and you know there was some

1260
00:55:46,670 --> 00:55:43,740
news about a year and a half ago that

1261
00:55:49,849 --> 00:55:46,680
there were some life signs or potential

1262
00:55:52,069 --> 00:55:49,859
Signs of Life found in the Clouds of

1263
00:55:55,250 --> 00:55:52,079
Venus which is just a planet right next

1264
00:55:58,490 --> 00:55:55,260
door and the reason that was interesting

1265
00:56:02,210 --> 00:55:58,500
was they found this type of phosphorus

1266
00:56:04,910 --> 00:56:02,220
called phosphine gas that exists you

1267
00:56:08,750 --> 00:56:04,920
know was giving a chemical signature in

1268
00:56:10,670 --> 00:56:08,760
this one area of the atmosphere where we

1269
00:56:13,609 --> 00:56:10,680
had thought previously hey if there was

1270
00:56:15,770 --> 00:56:13,619
life on Venus it's too darn hot down on

1271
00:56:18,349 --> 00:56:15,780
the surface and it's too cold in space

1272
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,359
but there is this area right within the

1273
00:56:23,510 --> 00:56:20,880
venusian atmosphere where the air

1274
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:23,520
pressure is right and the radiation is

1275
00:56:28,549 --> 00:56:25,920
right that if there was going to be life

1276
00:56:31,069 --> 00:56:28,559
there it would be in this in these

1277
00:56:32,750 --> 00:56:31,079
layers in the atmosphere and because of

1278
00:56:35,450 --> 00:56:32,760
the gaseous compositions and the

1279
00:56:38,270 --> 00:56:35,460
chemical compositions the type of life

1280
00:56:40,430 --> 00:56:38,280
that would be there would be this kind

1281
00:56:45,290 --> 00:56:40,440
of phosphorus breathing phosphorus

1282
00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:45,300
expelling low oxygen uh extremophile or

1283
00:56:49,730 --> 00:56:47,220
extreme life and that's exactly what

1284
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:49,740
they found was the chemical signatures

1285
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:52,559
of this phosphine there seemingly in

1286
00:56:56,510 --> 00:56:54,240
higher amounts that would have occurred

1287
00:56:58,430 --> 00:56:56,520
naturally and yes there are natural

1288
00:57:00,770 --> 00:56:58,440
explanations so good very well be a

1289
00:57:04,190 --> 00:57:00,780
natural phenomenon but it was enough of

1290
00:57:06,170 --> 00:57:04,200
an outlier for us to say hey there might

1291
00:57:08,109 --> 00:57:06,180
be life right next door in the Clouds of

1292
00:57:12,829 --> 00:57:08,119
Venus

1293
00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:12,839
scientists 50 70 100 years ago would

1294
00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:14,700
argue that there will never be life

1295
00:57:17,809 --> 00:57:16,440
found on any other planets anywhere

1296
00:57:20,930 --> 00:57:17,819
because we don't even know that there

1297
00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:20,940
are other planets universally now when

1298
00:57:26,809 --> 00:57:23,280
you talk to scientists about life in the

1299
00:57:29,290 --> 00:57:26,819
cosmos There is almost unanimous

1300
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:29,300
agreement that there's probably

1301
00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:31,200
microscopic life

1302
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:33,660
everywhere even Neil deGrasse Tyson

1303
00:57:38,030 --> 00:57:35,520
who's not a big UFO guy or a big

1304
00:57:40,730 --> 00:57:38,040
intelligent life coming to earth guy or

1305
00:57:42,829 --> 00:57:40,740
visiting us will tell you yeah there's

1306
00:57:44,510 --> 00:57:42,839
probably life everywhere and that's why

1307
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:44,520
it's because you go to one of these

1308
00:57:49,190 --> 00:57:46,559
halls or you go to one of these C note

1309
00:57:52,609 --> 00:57:49,200
holes or you go to one of these under uh

1310
00:57:55,990 --> 00:57:52,619
our uh Antarctica these places you find

1311
00:57:58,790 --> 00:57:56,000
life and you find life that is speciated

1312
00:58:02,089 --> 00:57:58,800
specifically to survive in that unique

1313
00:58:05,450 --> 00:58:02,099
uh environment so this is just more

1314
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:05,460
proof that life is everywhere life finds

1315
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:09,119
a way and it's only more evidence that

1316
00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:12,000
we should find life not just on Earth

1317
00:58:17,150 --> 00:58:14,460
but we should find life everywhere

1318
00:58:19,430 --> 00:58:17,160
because it's just you know I tell people

1319
00:58:21,589 --> 00:58:19,440
all the time these planets around other

1320
00:58:24,349 --> 00:58:21,599
stars that we found a lot of these

1321
00:58:26,930 --> 00:58:24,359
places that we will they're made of the

1322
00:58:28,970 --> 00:58:26,940
same stuff our planets are it's not like

1323
00:58:31,130 --> 00:58:28,980
there's some super alloy that they're

1324
00:58:33,710 --> 00:58:31,140
it's all the same stuff there's car

1325
00:58:37,010 --> 00:58:33,720
Urban and water and phosphorus and

1326
00:58:40,010 --> 00:58:37,020
sulfur and all these same compounds it's

1327
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:40,020
all made of the same stuff and so the

1328
00:58:45,849 --> 00:58:42,720
the if we find life everywhere on Earth

1329
00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:45,859
we find it underground under eyes in ice

1330
00:58:51,230 --> 00:58:48,660
in extreme radiation environments and

1331
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:51,240
non-radio and no oxygen environments and

1332
00:58:56,809 --> 00:58:54,240
high we find it stinking everywhere Ryan

1333
00:58:59,089 --> 00:58:56,819
we finally we look for life on Earth we

1334
00:59:02,750 --> 00:58:59,099
find life and this is just another

1335
00:59:05,270 --> 00:59:02,760
perfect example of that absolutely man I

1336
00:59:06,829 --> 00:59:05,280
remember writing an article at the

1337
00:59:09,950 --> 00:59:06,839
debrief about

1338
00:59:12,530 --> 00:59:09,960
um The Blood Falls when up in the Arctic

1339
00:59:15,289 --> 00:59:12,540
they found you know the this really

1340
00:59:17,569 --> 00:59:15,299
strange blood-like liquid coming out of

1341
00:59:19,730 --> 00:59:17,579
the glaciers and they were able to

1342
00:59:22,730 --> 00:59:19,740
figure out that there were these

1343
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:22,740
organisms living under the ice that

1344
00:59:26,510 --> 00:59:24,720
would you know when it hit oxygen would

1345
00:59:29,809 --> 00:59:26,520
turn a certain color

1346
00:59:31,970 --> 00:59:29,819
um it was really cool but uh the the

1347
00:59:35,270 --> 00:59:31,980
reason I bring that up is the point you

1348
00:59:37,789 --> 00:59:35,280
made of when we find these extremophiles

1349
00:59:40,510 --> 00:59:37,799
on Earth and we look at the conditions

1350
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:40,520
in which they were found and then we

1351
00:59:44,809 --> 00:59:42,960
cross-reference that with other planets

1352
00:59:47,150 --> 00:59:44,819
and the conditions that we find on those

1353
00:59:49,370 --> 00:59:47,160
planets that's when you can be like huh

1354
00:59:53,930 --> 00:59:49,380
like there's a possibility that that

1355
00:59:55,130 --> 00:59:53,940
extremophile could survive on Mars so in

1356
00:59:57,410 --> 00:59:55,140
that story that I wrote I actually

1357
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,420
talked to one of the um you know I

1358
01:00:04,309 --> 00:59:59,280
believe he was a genie uh not a

1359
01:00:08,089 --> 01:00:04,319
genealogist excuse me uh a geologist uh

1360
01:00:11,329 --> 01:00:08,099
who said literally finding these

1361
01:00:14,329 --> 01:00:11,339
extremophiles under the ice gives us so

1362
01:00:17,390 --> 01:00:14,339
much hope that in these possible Lake

1363
01:00:19,789 --> 01:00:17,400
beds under the surface of Mars that

1364
01:00:22,010 --> 01:00:19,799
we're gonna find the same life or some

1365
01:00:25,609 --> 01:00:22,020
sort of life like that or at least a

1366
01:00:27,650 --> 01:00:25,619
record of it or a record from

1367
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:27,660
a couple right water on Mars yeah that's

1368
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,280
the I would say it's probably on Mars

1369
01:00:33,650 --> 01:00:30,960
that's the most likely is that we're

1370
01:00:35,990 --> 01:00:33,660
going to find fossilized microscopic

1371
01:00:37,970 --> 01:00:36,000
life forms from two billion years ago

1372
01:00:40,609 --> 01:00:37,980
that haven't survived the current day

1373
01:00:42,650 --> 01:00:40,619
but you know they're they constantly

1374
01:00:46,130 --> 01:00:42,660
finding evidence for water underground

1375
01:00:47,809 --> 01:00:46,140
on Mars and there is geothermal activity

1376
01:00:49,789 --> 01:00:47,819
so there is energy it doesn't

1377
01:00:52,130 --> 01:00:49,799
necessarily need sunlight and again

1378
01:00:54,170 --> 01:00:52,140
that's in a tight as you said a type of

1379
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:54,180
extremophile we found on Earth could

1380
01:00:57,010 --> 01:00:55,680
probably be injected there and lived

1381
01:01:00,170 --> 01:00:57,020
there it was the point I made about

1382
01:01:03,049 --> 01:01:00,180
Venus is even if what they found in

1383
01:01:04,849 --> 01:01:03,059
those clouds aren't life forms we know

1384
01:01:06,349 --> 01:01:04,859
of life forms on Earth that we could

1385
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:06,359
inject in those clouds and they would

1386
01:01:11,690 --> 01:01:08,400
probably survive there and that's what's

1387
01:01:13,430 --> 01:01:11,700
interesting absolutely man uh I have so

1388
01:01:15,710 --> 01:01:13,440
much hope um that's why I love having

1389
01:01:16,609 --> 01:01:15,720
you on all the science stories give me

1390
01:01:19,549 --> 01:01:16,619
hope

1391
01:01:22,370 --> 01:01:19,559
um where ufology just drags us down but

1392
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:22,380
um science continues to move towards

1393
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:24,960
their being life not away from it I tell

1394
01:01:27,890 --> 01:01:26,160
people all the time the reason

1395
01:01:30,650 --> 01:01:27,900
scientists had a such a hard time

1396
01:01:32,270 --> 01:01:30,660
believing it at the dawn of the UFO way

1397
01:01:34,910 --> 01:01:32,280
so we didn't even know if you could

1398
01:01:36,589 --> 01:01:34,920
survive in space we didn't even know

1399
01:01:40,670 --> 01:01:36,599
that they were I tell people all the

1400
01:01:42,650 --> 01:01:40,680
time I started UCLA in 1987. and when I

1401
01:01:44,690 --> 01:01:42,660
took an astronomy course and I'm an

1402
01:01:47,630 --> 01:01:44,700
astronomy Professor who said he was

1403
01:01:49,970 --> 01:01:47,640
willing to bet his uh retirement that we

1404
01:01:52,490 --> 01:01:49,980
would never find planets around other

1405
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:52,500
stars that he thought that was unique to

1406
01:01:55,609 --> 01:01:54,240
our solar system it just wasn't

1407
01:01:58,069 --> 01:01:55,619
something you were going to find and he

1408
01:02:00,589 --> 01:01:58,079
would bet his retirement on it and it

1409
01:02:02,750 --> 01:02:00,599
was eight years later in 95 that we kind

1410
01:02:04,910 --> 01:02:02,760
of measured you know via the radio

1411
01:02:07,010 --> 01:02:04,920
velocity method found our first

1412
01:02:08,450 --> 01:02:07,020
exoplanets and now we have thousands of

1413
01:02:10,370 --> 01:02:08,460
them and we have thousands of more

1414
01:02:12,890 --> 01:02:10,380
candidates and what we're finding is

1415
01:02:14,930 --> 01:02:12,900
just like life everywhere we look we

1416
01:02:16,309 --> 01:02:14,940
find planets well then the argument was

1417
01:02:18,109 --> 01:02:16,319
well we're not going to find a rocky

1418
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:18,119
Earth-like planets we're spotting these

1419
01:02:23,210 --> 01:02:20,880
huge gaseous ones that are like Jupiter

1420
01:02:25,130 --> 01:02:23,220
Uranus but we're not going to find uh

1421
01:02:26,630 --> 01:02:25,140
rocky planets earth-like planets well

1422
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:26,640
what do you know we found a ton of those

1423
01:02:30,770 --> 01:02:28,799
and we're not going to find them with

1424
01:02:32,990 --> 01:02:30,780
water or with liquid water or water

1425
01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:33,000
vapor in their atmosphere we found those

1426
01:02:37,370 --> 01:02:34,799
we're not going to find them in the

1427
01:02:39,170 --> 01:02:37,380
habitable zone of Their Stars which

1428
01:02:41,210 --> 01:02:39,180
means their orbit at the right distance

1429
01:02:43,490 --> 01:02:41,220
from their star to have enough heat

1430
01:02:45,410 --> 01:02:43,500
energy to have liquid water on the

1431
01:02:47,390 --> 01:02:45,420
surface which we think is critical for

1432
01:02:49,849 --> 01:02:47,400
for pretty much all life or the vast

1433
01:02:52,190 --> 01:02:49,859
majority and what do you know we found

1434
01:02:55,250 --> 01:02:52,200
those two so if you're saying are there

1435
01:02:57,829 --> 01:02:55,260
places in the cosmos that have life we

1436
01:03:00,049 --> 01:02:57,839
still don't know but what we do know is

1437
01:03:03,890 --> 01:03:00,059
there's a ton of places in the cosmos

1438
01:03:05,870 --> 01:03:03,900
that are probably capable and have the

1439
01:03:09,049 --> 01:03:05,880
right situations and circumstances

1440
01:03:11,089 --> 01:03:09,059
chemically and energy wise to support

1441
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:11,099
life because again

1442
01:03:16,190 --> 01:03:13,920
it's made of all the same stuff it's

1443
01:03:18,109 --> 01:03:16,200
made of the radiation energy is similar

1444
01:03:19,849 --> 01:03:18,119
yes it might be a different type of

1445
01:03:22,250 --> 01:03:19,859
store star it might be a different

1446
01:03:24,109 --> 01:03:22,260
orbital velocity or distance there might

1447
01:03:26,329 --> 01:03:24,119
be some variations between Earth and

1448
01:03:28,450 --> 01:03:26,339
what we see in the cosmos and yet we

1449
01:03:31,490 --> 01:03:28,460
haven't spotted an earth-sized Planet

1450
01:03:34,010 --> 01:03:31,500
exactly with water and continents around

1451
01:03:36,109 --> 01:03:34,020
the type of Star War around because our

1452
01:03:38,990 --> 01:03:36,119
instruments just can't pick up planets

1453
01:03:41,690 --> 01:03:39,000
rocky planets around our type of star so

1454
01:03:44,809 --> 01:03:41,700
mostly Earth-like ones we found are

1455
01:03:47,210 --> 01:03:44,819
around uh like M dwarfs you know like a

1456
01:03:50,089 --> 01:03:47,220
smaller red dwarf planets because

1457
01:03:51,950 --> 01:03:50,099
they're not as bright so we can spot the

1458
01:03:55,069 --> 01:03:51,960
planet either when it crosses in front

1459
01:03:57,170 --> 01:03:55,079
or it's a gravitational effect either

1460
01:04:01,490 --> 01:03:57,180
the transit or the radial velocity

1461
01:04:03,829 --> 01:04:01,500
method so yeah ufology may be this uh

1462
01:04:07,250 --> 01:04:03,839
we're never going to get any answers but

1463
01:04:11,030 --> 01:04:07,260
what science is is this constant March

1464
01:04:12,650 --> 01:04:11,040
forward towards life so if if like me

1465
01:04:15,710 --> 01:04:12,660
you believe there's at least a

1466
01:04:18,410 --> 01:04:15,720
possibility that the UFOs at least some

1467
01:04:21,049 --> 01:04:18,420
of the UFOs people see are either probes

1468
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:21,059
or spacecraft from another planet the

1469
01:04:25,970 --> 01:04:24,000
evidence for that argument continues to

1470
01:04:28,309 --> 01:04:25,980
go up there continues to be more star

1471
01:04:30,109 --> 01:04:28,319
systems they could be from and there

1472
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:30,119
used to be this old argument that well

1473
01:04:35,809 --> 01:04:32,880
space is too vast and you can't travel

1474
01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:35,819
the distances well we couldn't go we

1475
01:04:42,230 --> 01:04:38,160
couldn't fly an airplane 120 years ago

1476
01:04:43,849 --> 01:04:42,240
we can now design a probe using directed

1477
01:04:45,770 --> 01:04:43,859
energy propulsion something we haven't

1478
01:04:47,569 --> 01:04:45,780
done yet where you push it with a laser

1479
01:04:49,849 --> 01:04:47,579
but we could get something up to about

1480
01:04:52,910 --> 01:04:49,859
20 percent the speed of light within

1481
01:04:55,549 --> 01:04:52,920
about an hour so you can hit a probe

1482
01:04:58,010 --> 01:04:55,559
with a laser get it to 20 the speed of

1483
01:05:00,890 --> 01:04:58,020
light if there's a star that's 10 light

1484
01:05:03,049 --> 01:05:00,900
years away and we can go 20 percent of

1485
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:03,059
the speed of light I mean you can do the

1486
01:05:07,970 --> 01:05:05,280
math but that's 50 years we could get a

1487
01:05:10,069 --> 01:05:07,980
probe there with our technology and we

1488
01:05:12,770 --> 01:05:10,079
couldn't even fly an airplane 120 years

1489
01:05:14,990 --> 01:05:12,780
ago so the idea that a society it's even

1490
01:05:17,870 --> 01:05:15,000
slightly more evolved than us much less

1491
01:05:19,870 --> 01:05:17,880
dramatically more could get a can't get

1492
01:05:22,849 --> 01:05:19,880
a probe here because it's too far away

1493
01:05:24,230 --> 01:05:22,859
it's just very old school thinking and I

1494
01:05:26,030 --> 01:05:24,240
just do think

1495
01:05:27,770 --> 01:05:26,040
first of all I would like to let people

1496
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:27,780
know the scientists I talked to and I

1497
01:05:31,490 --> 01:05:29,520
talk a lot of Smart Ones about a lot of

1498
01:05:33,530 --> 01:05:31,500
different subjects at the debris not

1499
01:05:35,210 --> 01:05:33,540
always about UFOs but when they find out

1500
01:05:37,549 --> 01:05:35,220
I'm from the debrief they'll often say

1501
01:05:38,930 --> 01:05:37,559
Hey you know tell me the latest dope on

1502
01:05:42,170 --> 01:05:38,940
UFOs

1503
01:05:45,849 --> 01:05:42,180
the vast majority of scientists I talked

1504
01:05:49,789 --> 01:05:45,859
to uh do not hold Humanity as this

1505
01:05:51,890 --> 01:05:49,799
magical 18th century 17th century we're

1506
01:05:53,809 --> 01:05:51,900
the center of universe and there won't

1507
01:05:55,250 --> 01:05:53,819
be intelligent means anywhere else if

1508
01:05:57,890 --> 01:05:55,260
anything we're just probably common

1509
01:05:59,569 --> 01:05:57,900
boring old intelligent beings that

1510
01:06:02,150 --> 01:05:59,579
probably exist on all time they may not

1511
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:02,160
look exactly like this or behave exactly

1512
01:06:08,450 --> 01:06:05,760
like us but the idea that humanity is so

1513
01:06:11,089 --> 01:06:08,460
rare is to me akin to this old school

1514
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:11,099
thinking of the the sun revolves around

1515
01:06:15,890 --> 01:06:12,960
the earth and there's nothing else in

1516
01:06:18,650 --> 01:06:15,900
the cosmos but stars and this one planet

1517
01:06:20,690 --> 01:06:18,660
and everything revolves around it and

1518
01:06:22,250 --> 01:06:20,700
it's just such old school thinking so I

1519
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:22,260
think a lot of these Neil deGrasse

1520
01:06:26,809 --> 01:06:24,480
Tysons a lot of the the poo-pooing

1521
01:06:29,510 --> 01:06:26,819
scientists you heard are more just

1522
01:06:31,490 --> 01:06:29,520
examples of the era they were raised in

1523
01:06:33,529 --> 01:06:31,500
and the era of science that they were

1524
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:33,539
raised in when I talked to scientists

1525
01:06:37,730 --> 01:06:35,760
that are in their 20s 30s and 40s people

1526
01:06:40,670 --> 01:06:37,740
that are younger than me that are

1527
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:40,680
interested in this subject the idea that

1528
01:06:46,010 --> 01:06:43,680
life is common in the cosmos is a

1529
01:06:49,010 --> 01:06:46,020
popular idea the idea that there will be

1530
01:06:50,930 --> 01:06:49,020
intelligent life in the cosmos is just

1531
01:06:53,329 --> 01:06:50,940
what we talked about with speciation

1532
01:06:55,490 --> 01:06:53,339
which is their survival of the fittest

1533
01:06:57,950 --> 01:06:55,500
if their mechanical forces on a planet

1534
01:06:59,329 --> 01:06:57,960
and you have microscopic light you've

1535
01:07:01,069 --> 01:06:59,339
given enough time you're probably going

1536
01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:01,079
to have complex life because that life

1537
01:07:04,670 --> 01:07:03,359
is going to continue to adapt to its

1538
01:07:06,589 --> 01:07:04,680
environment it's going to get more and

1539
01:07:08,329 --> 01:07:06,599
more complex it's going to get to the

1540
01:07:10,970 --> 01:07:08,339
ideally at some point to the point of

1541
01:07:13,789 --> 01:07:10,980
using tools using electricity and flying

1542
01:07:16,250 --> 01:07:13,799
spaceships and and making TV shows and

1543
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:16,260
doing all the cool stuff that we do so

1544
01:07:21,470 --> 01:07:18,240
if you're somebody that's waiting for

1545
01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:21,480
the UFO answer to be they're travelers

1546
01:07:26,630 --> 01:07:23,520
from the future for or they come from

1547
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:26,640
another uh uh universe or things like

1548
01:07:29,990 --> 01:07:28,319
that you may be in for a long wait

1549
01:07:32,270 --> 01:07:30,000
because there's not a ton of evidence

1550
01:07:35,029 --> 01:07:32,280
and it may be the case it's just not a

1551
01:07:37,970 --> 01:07:35,039
ton of scientific evidence of traveling

1552
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:37,980
backwards in time and although the idea

1553
01:07:42,349 --> 01:07:40,079
of the Multiverse is very popular in

1554
01:07:44,150 --> 01:07:42,359
science fiction it's a really cool idea

1555
01:07:46,609 --> 01:07:44,160
and it kind of Springs out of them

1556
01:07:48,170 --> 01:07:46,619
Theory and string theory and stuff a lot

1557
01:07:49,910 --> 01:07:48,180
of the science behind M Theory and

1558
01:07:52,250 --> 01:07:49,920
string theory doesn't hold up lots of

1559
01:07:54,049 --> 01:07:52,260
times so it's something that comes out

1560
01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:54,059
of a cool scientific theory so guys like

1561
01:07:58,609 --> 01:07:56,640
Eric Davis just love because they they

1562
01:08:01,250 --> 01:07:58,619
call it super symmetry for a reason it

1563
01:08:03,770 --> 01:08:01,260
explains everything it it solves I you

1564
01:08:06,829 --> 01:08:03,780
know the old problem of the uh Newtonian

1565
01:08:08,569 --> 01:08:06,839
and Einstein conflict this idea that uh

1566
01:08:10,250 --> 01:08:08,579
there's the quantum world and there's

1567
01:08:12,710 --> 01:08:10,260
the macro world and those two things

1568
01:08:14,750 --> 01:08:12,720
don't unify we need a unifiable theory

1569
01:08:16,370 --> 01:08:14,760
that can explain them all so String

1570
01:08:18,470 --> 01:08:16,380
Theory can do that

1571
01:08:19,970 --> 01:08:18,480
the problem is it works mathematically

1572
01:08:22,490 --> 01:08:19,980
it doesn't always work in the real world

1573
01:08:24,590 --> 01:08:22,500
or at least the experiments they use to

1574
01:08:27,050 --> 01:08:24,600
find magnetic monopoles and things like

1575
01:08:29,870 --> 01:08:27,060
that that would support String Theory so

1576
01:08:32,090 --> 01:08:29,880
the bottom line is if you're hoping for

1577
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:32,100
a magical explanation you probably

1578
01:08:35,390 --> 01:08:33,600
already have one you know if you think

1579
01:08:37,669 --> 01:08:35,400
it might be ghosts or you think UFOs

1580
01:08:40,610 --> 01:08:37,679
might be something paranormal

1581
01:08:42,590 --> 01:08:40,620
um that would in a magical world maybe

1582
01:08:43,970 --> 01:08:42,600
we're in a magical reality I don't know

1583
01:08:46,930 --> 01:08:43,980
I don't know where everything comes from

1584
01:08:49,430 --> 01:08:46,940
I don't know but in just the base

1585
01:08:51,650 --> 01:08:49,440
materialistic scientists I don't believe

1586
01:08:53,930 --> 01:08:51,660
in God I don't believe in ghosts I don't

1587
01:08:56,749 --> 01:08:53,940
believe in nothing no psychic powers

1588
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:56,759
just it's all material there's no

1589
01:09:02,030 --> 01:08:58,799
purpose to life nothing means anything

1590
01:09:04,130 --> 01:09:02,040
in that definition aliens should be

1591
01:09:05,749 --> 01:09:04,140
everywhere because it's just life would

1592
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:05,759
just be common it would just be we're

1593
01:09:09,950 --> 01:09:07,679
just another example of the common thing

1594
01:09:11,570 --> 01:09:09,960
in the cosmos so in a materialist

1595
01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:11,580
Universe even if you're the most cynical

1596
01:09:16,849 --> 01:09:14,160
of the most extreme answers to the UFO

1597
01:09:20,990 --> 01:09:16,859
phenomena you should be of the mindset

1598
01:09:22,970 --> 01:09:21,000
that uh you know life is everywhere and

1599
01:09:25,249 --> 01:09:22,980
intelligent life is probably common

1600
01:09:28,490 --> 01:09:25,259
because we're only four billion years

1601
01:09:30,410 --> 01:09:28,500
into a 14 billion year uh universe so

1602
01:09:32,030 --> 01:09:30,420
yeah I know I made this same point in

1603
01:09:34,550 --> 01:09:32,040
Andy's show the other day so I'm kind of

1604
01:09:36,229 --> 01:09:34,560
beating the same drum but uh for guys

1605
01:09:37,789 --> 01:09:36,239
like me who are fans of Science and

1606
01:09:39,530 --> 01:09:37,799
write about science I have no scientific

1607
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:39,540
training but it is something I've been

1608
01:09:45,229 --> 01:09:40,799
following my whole life and I write

1609
01:09:48,050 --> 01:09:45,239
about uh the I scientists are wide open

1610
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:48,060
to life on other planets

1611
01:09:55,070 --> 01:09:52,080
if they're resistant to the idea of UFOs

1612
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:55,080
themselves being visitors from other

1613
01:10:00,290 --> 01:09:57,840
planets I think that just more comes

1614
01:10:02,510 --> 01:10:00,300
down to the connection between magical

1615
01:10:05,330 --> 01:10:02,520
thinking and scientific thinking because

1616
01:10:07,130 --> 01:10:05,340
if you ask scientists privately this is

1617
01:10:09,169 --> 01:10:07,140
something they're very interested in the

1618
01:10:11,150 --> 01:10:09,179
idea that their life on other planets

1619
01:10:13,490 --> 01:10:11,160
and it might be sending probes here it

1620
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:13,500
might be spending spaceships here and

1621
01:10:16,669 --> 01:10:15,120
because it's just more advanced than us

1622
01:10:18,229 --> 01:10:16,679
and we're just catching up to the point

1623
01:10:19,970 --> 01:10:18,239
that we can even understand what we're

1624
01:10:22,130 --> 01:10:19,980
looking at or understand what we're

1625
01:10:25,189 --> 01:10:22,140
communicating with that's something that

1626
01:10:28,729 --> 01:10:25,199
scientists Rank and file scientists way

1627
01:10:31,010 --> 01:10:28,739
more than not privately tell me that

1628
01:10:33,649 --> 01:10:31,020
they're fully open to and that science

1629
01:10:35,990 --> 01:10:33,659
supports it that Humanity isn't magical

1630
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:36,000
and there's just one place with life in

1631
01:10:39,890 --> 01:10:38,159
the whole Cosmos it's very egocentric of

1632
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:39,900
us but the truth is we're just probably

1633
01:10:45,290 --> 01:10:42,000
typical and not atypical

1634
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:45,300
there we go well let's let's talk about

1635
01:10:51,530 --> 01:10:48,000
that Chris scientists looking at the

1636
01:10:53,090 --> 01:10:51,540
possibility that we have been visited

1637
01:10:54,290 --> 01:10:53,100
um a lot of people in the chat are

1638
01:10:56,510 --> 01:10:54,300
bringing up what we're going to be

1639
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:56,520
talking about and that is the 2006

1640
01:11:02,810 --> 01:11:00,000
Chicago O'Hare UFO incident but I'm

1641
01:11:04,130 --> 01:11:02,820
going to take a very quick break Chris

1642
01:11:08,510 --> 01:11:04,140
um I'm gonna go ahead and play a little

1643
01:11:11,630 --> 01:11:08,520
ad here for the folks so um stick tight

1644
01:11:13,130 --> 01:11:11,640
stick around stay uh whatever the the

1645
01:11:15,709 --> 01:11:13,140
saying is you say when you go to a

1646
01:11:17,990 --> 01:11:15,719
commercial break do that everybody and

1647
01:11:20,030 --> 01:11:18,000
we will be right back to talk with

1648
01:11:22,430 --> 01:11:20,040
Christopher playing the head science

1649
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:22,440
writer at the debrief all about his new

1650
01:11:28,750 --> 01:11:25,440
article over there about a possible New

1651
01:11:31,790 --> 01:11:28,760
Perspective on the Chicago O'Hare

1652
01:11:34,370 --> 01:11:31,800
UFO incident so stay tuned guys we'll be

1653
01:11:34,380 --> 01:11:38,890
thank you

1654
01:11:44,330 --> 01:11:41,630
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1655
01:11:46,430 --> 01:11:44,340
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1660
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01:12:05,810 --> 01:12:02,580
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somewhere Skies

1666
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:22,910
all right guys welcome back to somewhere

1667
01:12:27,290 --> 01:12:25,440
in the live stream and before we do

1668
01:12:30,350 --> 01:12:27,300
anything James Craig thank you so much

1669
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:30,360
for the 20 Super Chat um playing off the

1670
01:12:33,709 --> 01:12:31,679
heels of what we were just talking about

1671
01:12:35,630 --> 01:12:33,719
with Christopher playing life in the

1672
01:12:38,450 --> 01:12:35,640
universe everywhere intelligent life in

1673
01:12:40,790 --> 01:12:38,460
the universe extremely rare but how do

1674
01:12:42,890 --> 01:12:40,800
we know that right right yeah so that's

1675
01:12:44,630 --> 01:12:42,900
that's a something that you used to hear

1676
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:44,640
a lot you will still hear now from

1677
01:12:48,530 --> 01:12:46,800
scientists since they moved away from

1678
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:48,540
their planets and there aren't planets

1679
01:12:51,709 --> 01:12:50,159
in the habitable zone and there aren't

1680
01:12:53,450 --> 01:12:51,719
earth-like planets and they get proven

1681
01:12:55,390 --> 01:12:53,460
wrong in each step and they've had to

1682
01:12:58,250 --> 01:12:55,400
acquiesce well because of extrema

1683
01:13:01,010 --> 01:12:58,260
there's probably life everywhere but

1684
01:13:03,290 --> 01:13:01,020
intelligent life is rare well that last

1685
01:13:04,729 --> 01:13:03,300
step just tells me that you don't

1686
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:04,739
believe in evolution you don't believe

1687
01:13:08,209 --> 01:13:06,480
in survival of the fittest you don't

1688
01:13:10,610 --> 01:13:08,219
believe that organisms adapt to their

1689
01:13:12,290 --> 01:13:10,620
environment and over time become more

1690
01:13:14,030 --> 01:13:12,300
sophisticated

1691
01:13:16,610 --> 01:13:14,040
excuse me of the way they use energy

1692
01:13:18,050 --> 01:13:16,620
which we call Evolution but that's

1693
01:13:20,209 --> 01:13:18,060
really what it is just become a more

1694
01:13:23,090 --> 01:13:20,219
complex organism more sophisticated in

1695
01:13:24,830 --> 01:13:23,100
the way it uses energy so uh I don't

1696
01:13:27,470 --> 01:13:24,840
know that there is any proof for that

1697
01:13:30,290 --> 01:13:27,480
lastly I also saw somebody saying that

1698
01:13:32,330 --> 01:13:30,300
life in the universe is common but it's

1699
01:13:34,430 --> 01:13:32,340
uh the space and time and distance

1700
01:13:39,110 --> 01:13:34,440
between us as we probably haven't ever

1701
01:13:41,870 --> 01:13:39,120
encountered it again so uh 200 years ago

1702
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:41,880
or 300 years ago the idea of going from

1703
01:13:46,970 --> 01:13:44,159
London to New York was you had to go buy

1704
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:46,980
a boat now you can go by jet and you can

1705
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:50,640
go so much faster we can send probes I

1706
01:13:54,709 --> 01:13:53,040
will repeat this at 20 percent the speed

1707
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:54,719
of light with the technology we have

1708
01:13:58,910 --> 01:13:56,880
right now we're not doing it but we have

1709
01:14:02,149 --> 01:13:58,920
that technology and it's a proven

1710
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:02,159
technology so the idea that uh oh it's

1711
01:14:05,810 --> 01:14:03,840
too far away is something that's 40

1712
01:14:08,689 --> 01:14:05,820
light years away or 100 light years away

1713
01:14:11,450 --> 01:14:08,699
is too far away to me it's just old

1714
01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:11,460
thinking it's thinking of uh the rocket

1715
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:13,679
equation era that hey well take this

1716
01:14:18,410 --> 01:14:16,080
much fuel to go that fast well the

1717
01:14:20,930 --> 01:14:18,420
rocket equation is not valid in the in

1718
01:14:22,669 --> 01:14:20,940
deep space travel anymore there you

1719
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:22,679
don't need magical things like warp

1720
01:14:25,490 --> 01:14:23,760
drives even though there are a lot of

1721
01:14:27,470 --> 01:14:25,500
people working on those things like

1722
01:14:29,149 --> 01:14:27,480
plasma magnets will get us up to one or

1723
01:14:30,830 --> 01:14:29,159
two percent the speed of light and

1724
01:14:32,990 --> 01:14:30,840
things like direct and energy will get

1725
01:14:34,850 --> 01:14:33,000
us at least to 20 percent maybe even 30

1726
01:14:38,510 --> 01:14:34,860
percent so you start cutting those

1727
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:38,520
distances down real quick so uh to me

1728
01:14:43,490 --> 01:14:40,080
that's not the case

1729
01:14:46,250 --> 01:14:43,500
that's fair that's fair man well you

1730
01:14:48,649 --> 01:14:46,260
mentioned warp drives let's do it let's

1731
01:14:50,510 --> 01:14:48,659
go there all right the real reason I had

1732
01:14:51,530 --> 01:14:50,520
you on I couldn't wait to get to this

1733
01:14:54,110 --> 01:14:51,540
part

1734
01:14:56,090 --> 01:14:54,120
um oh gosh we we are way over the time I

1735
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:56,100
told you my man so that's not sticking

1736
01:14:59,930 --> 01:14:58,320
around I think my wife's napping so I

1737
01:15:01,310 --> 01:14:59,940
think we're good okay we're good for now

1738
01:15:02,570 --> 01:15:01,320
all right you let me know if that

1739
01:15:03,410 --> 01:15:02,580
changes

1740
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:03,420
um

1741
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:04,800
here it is

1742
01:15:09,890 --> 01:15:07,199
this new article over at the debrief by

1743
01:15:12,290 --> 01:15:09,900
Christopher plain the Chicago and Micah

1744
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:12,300
Hanks excuse me uh the Chicago O'Hare

1745
01:15:19,070 --> 01:15:15,360
UAP incident physics teams analysis

1746
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:19,080
offers a fresh look at this famous 2006

1747
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:22,800
case I'm gonna read this briefly Chris

1748
01:15:26,930 --> 01:15:24,719
um the Chicago O'Hare incident for those

1749
01:15:30,530 --> 01:15:26,940
of you who aren't familiar with this

1750
01:15:33,830 --> 01:15:30,540
shortly after 4 15 p.m CST time on

1751
01:15:36,590 --> 01:15:33,840
November 7th 2006 at United Airlines

1752
01:15:39,890 --> 01:15:36,600
gate c17 at Chicago's O'Hare

1753
01:15:42,770 --> 01:15:39,900
International Airport a UFO was spotted

1754
01:15:45,410 --> 01:15:42,780
by many employees and passengers that is

1755
01:15:47,390 --> 01:15:45,420
the most Cliff Notes version Chris that

1756
01:15:49,490 --> 01:15:47,400
I could give of this incident and I do

1757
01:15:51,649 --> 01:15:49,500
have a a clip I'm going to play in just

1758
01:15:53,930 --> 01:15:51,659
a moment here but um before we move

1759
01:15:56,689 --> 01:15:53,940
forward on this Applied Physics group

1760
01:15:58,370 --> 01:15:56,699
and this sort of theory that they came

1761
01:16:01,430 --> 01:15:58,380
up with about this case

1762
01:16:03,709 --> 01:16:01,440
um what do you remember about the

1763
01:16:05,570 --> 01:16:03,719
Chicago O'Hare incident

1764
01:16:07,729 --> 01:16:05,580
um were you familiar with it when it

1765
01:16:10,189 --> 01:16:07,739
actually occurred like did you see see

1766
01:16:11,990 --> 01:16:10,199
this playing out on the news or what are

1767
01:16:14,450 --> 01:16:12,000
your thoughts on the case before we get

1768
01:16:17,630 --> 01:16:14,460
the thoughts of Applied Physics you know

1769
01:16:20,450 --> 01:16:17,640
like uh like Mick West UFO ufology was

1770
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:20,460
dead for me no um you know as somebody

1771
01:16:25,010 --> 01:16:22,560
who's followed the subject since the

1772
01:16:27,169 --> 01:16:25,020
late 70s it comes and goes in my

1773
01:16:30,229 --> 01:16:27,179
interest throughout my life things will

1774
01:16:32,570 --> 01:16:30,239
pop up a bob lazar's book came out or uh

1775
01:16:35,450 --> 01:16:32,580
the day after Roswell by Colonel Corso

1776
01:16:37,010 --> 01:16:35,460
or these things um Whitley Strivers

1777
01:16:39,770 --> 01:16:37,020
books like things would come in a

1778
01:16:41,510 --> 01:16:39,780
pre-internet era that would maybe grab

1779
01:16:46,130 --> 01:16:41,520
your interest for a while and then fade

1780
01:16:48,590 --> 01:16:46,140
away uh in 2006 I remember it being

1781
01:16:50,570 --> 01:16:48,600
discussed I remember the O'Hare instant

1782
01:16:53,090 --> 01:16:50,580
being discussed at the time but it

1783
01:16:56,510 --> 01:16:53,100
wasn't something I followed close I was

1784
01:16:58,850 --> 01:16:56,520
not a I wasn't on UFO Twitter in 2006

1785
01:17:04,010 --> 01:16:58,860
was there a UFO Twitter no I don't think

1786
01:17:08,330 --> 01:17:06,350
UF uh I wasn't in the uh in the

1787
01:17:10,910 --> 01:17:08,340
community at that point following the

1788
01:17:12,649 --> 01:17:10,920
latest stories so as I mentioned to you

1789
01:17:13,729 --> 01:17:12,659
and I mentioned on Andy's show the other

1790
01:17:16,010 --> 01:17:13,739
day

1791
01:17:19,130 --> 01:17:16,020
the best information I ever really got

1792
01:17:21,050 --> 01:17:19,140
on this was when I first met you two two

1793
01:17:22,370 --> 01:17:21,060
and a half years ago is when we met was

1794
01:17:23,990 --> 01:17:22,380
a little over two and a half years ago

1795
01:17:26,750 --> 01:17:24,000
but I think it was about two years ago

1796
01:17:29,630 --> 01:17:26,760
you ran an episode of somewhere in the

1797
01:17:31,790 --> 01:17:29,640
skies about this incident and that was

1798
01:17:33,050 --> 01:17:31,800
the first time I got really kind of a

1799
01:17:37,570 --> 01:17:33,060
detailed

1800
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:37,580
recounting of the again the the

1801
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:41,040
testimonial evidence people saying they

1802
01:17:45,169 --> 01:17:42,960
saw something and different people from

1803
01:17:47,930 --> 01:17:45,179
different walks of life at the same

1804
01:17:50,209 --> 01:17:47,940
location at the same time more or less

1805
01:17:52,430 --> 01:17:50,219
all describing the same thing

1806
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:52,440
being in the same place looking the same

1807
01:17:57,770 --> 01:17:54,480
shape and performing in the same way

1808
01:18:00,770 --> 01:17:57,780
yeah and I mean this has become one of

1809
01:18:04,610 --> 01:18:00,780
the you know Pinnacle cases in the past

1810
01:18:09,410 --> 01:18:04,620
few decades uh because a it happened in

1811
01:18:12,110 --> 01:18:09,420
daylight a disc a flying discs seen over

1812
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:12,120
an airport in daylight and you know

1813
01:18:17,390 --> 01:18:14,880
immediately journalists wanted to go

1814
01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:17,400
interview all the people who claimed to

1815
01:18:24,890 --> 01:18:21,360
have seen this over gate c17 and nobody

1816
01:18:28,430 --> 01:18:24,900
would talk it was clear there was a very

1817
01:18:29,930 --> 01:18:28,440
quick uh cover-up as it were put in

1818
01:18:31,370 --> 01:18:29,940
place nobody was allowed to talk about

1819
01:18:34,370 --> 01:18:31,380
what they saw

1820
01:18:36,530 --> 01:18:34,380
um but you know many years went on

1821
01:18:38,689 --> 01:18:36,540
with this case and we didn't really hear

1822
01:18:41,450 --> 01:18:38,699
of anything you know was there

1823
01:18:43,430 --> 01:18:41,460
communication between crew members on

1824
01:18:45,950 --> 01:18:43,440
the ground or the flight Towers or

1825
01:18:48,590 --> 01:18:45,960
anything going on in real time as this

1826
01:18:51,050 --> 01:18:48,600
was happening and and actually the

1827
01:18:52,850 --> 01:18:51,060
individual who was able to finally

1828
01:18:55,610 --> 01:18:52,860
obtain that and kind of Bring It Forward

1829
01:18:57,770 --> 01:18:55,620
was uh Stephen Green Street over at the

1830
01:18:59,270 --> 01:18:57,780
New York Post and you know say what you

1831
01:19:01,970 --> 01:18:59,280
will about him I know he's one of the

1832
01:19:04,970 --> 01:19:01,980
Enemy Number One on UFO Twitter right

1833
01:19:08,750 --> 01:19:04,980
now um he was the one to dig this up and

1834
01:19:10,130 --> 01:19:08,760
find actual audio tapes from that day

1835
01:19:12,410 --> 01:19:10,140
um and I actually had him on that

1836
01:19:14,450 --> 01:19:12,420
episode you're referring to to talk

1837
01:19:15,709 --> 01:19:14,460
about what he had found um so if you

1838
01:19:18,709 --> 01:19:15,719
don't mind I'm going to go ahead and

1839
01:19:21,169 --> 01:19:18,719
actually play the audio clip what

1840
01:19:23,270 --> 01:19:21,179
happened that day when this happened

1841
01:19:25,610 --> 01:19:23,280
with several of the crew members at the

1842
01:19:27,110 --> 01:19:25,620
airport so bear with us guys I'm going

1843
01:19:29,570 --> 01:19:27,120
to play this really quick and we'll come

1844
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:29,580
back and keep on with this awesome story

1845
01:19:33,890 --> 01:19:32,159
that Chris wrote um all right let me

1846
01:19:45,890 --> 01:19:33,900
find it here here it is all right give

1847
01:19:49,930 --> 01:19:47,870
no

1848
01:19:52,490 --> 01:19:49,940
playing discs

1849
01:19:55,570 --> 01:19:52,500
are telling us the C-17 they saw some

1850
01:19:58,370 --> 01:19:55,580
flying disc above and we can't see it

1851
01:20:07,090 --> 01:19:58,380
right yeah hey you guys been celebrating

1852
01:20:07,100 --> 01:20:31,750
unless you got a new aircraft you're uh

1853
01:20:37,750 --> 01:20:34,910
like a UFO type of thing

1854
01:20:43,729 --> 01:20:40,550
how high above Charlie 17. well it was

1855
01:20:46,010 --> 01:20:43,739
above our Tower so if you happen to stay

1856
01:20:54,610 --> 01:20:46,020
here you know what I'll keep a peeled

1857
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:56,630
you see anything above United's

1858
01:20:59,390 --> 01:20:57,840
Concourse they actually believe it or

1859
01:21:01,550 --> 01:20:59,400
not they called us and said

1860
01:21:03,890 --> 01:21:01,560
somebody observed a flying disc about a

1861
01:21:07,790 --> 01:21:03,900
thousand feet above the uh okay Charlie

1862
01:21:11,550 --> 01:21:10,310
not that I can tell okay yeah I thought

1863
01:21:13,370 --> 01:21:11,560
my job was stressful

1864
01:21:17,330 --> 01:21:13,380
[Music]

1865
01:21:19,930 --> 01:21:17,340
oh we saw it a half hour ago we saw it

1866
01:21:31,130 --> 01:21:19,940
so that's over at the uh

1867
01:21:31,140 --> 01:21:34,310
thank you

1868
01:21:38,030 --> 01:21:36,290
wow man

1869
01:21:40,510 --> 01:21:38,040
um that gave me chills I haven't heard

1870
01:21:44,630 --> 01:21:40,520
it in over a year and a half but I mean

1871
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:44,640
disc disk disk um not only that but Sue

1872
01:21:50,450 --> 01:21:47,760
poor sue you could tell she was like you

1873
01:21:53,390 --> 01:21:50,460
know she wanted to seriously report this

1874
01:21:54,350 --> 01:21:53,400
and clearly that guy was just not having

1875
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:54,360
it

1876
01:21:59,090 --> 01:21:56,880
um but she said you can clearly hear her

1877
01:22:01,669 --> 01:21:59,100
say we took pictures

1878
01:22:03,890 --> 01:22:01,679
we have a photo I think she said yeah we

1879
01:22:06,110 --> 01:22:03,900
have a photo we have a picture so I mean

1880
01:22:10,189 --> 01:22:06,120
it's out there somewhere we've seen

1881
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:10,199
quote unquote photos none of them have

1882
01:22:13,850 --> 01:22:12,239
ever been proven I believe most of them

1883
01:22:17,570 --> 01:22:13,860
are hoaxes

1884
01:22:19,250 --> 01:22:17,580
um but this was a huge huge gift for

1885
01:22:20,990 --> 01:22:19,260
Stephen Greenstreet I'm not gonna lie

1886
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:21,000
again I know he's you know a

1887
01:22:26,630 --> 01:22:23,280
controversial character in The the world

1888
01:22:29,870 --> 01:22:26,640
of Journalism and UFOs but um wow like

1889
01:22:32,830 --> 01:22:29,880
this is what we needed for this case um

1890
01:22:39,590 --> 01:22:37,130
who's a a UFO mufon field investigator

1891
01:22:42,290 --> 01:22:39,600
actually interviewed another witness

1892
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:42,300
that was outside of the airport at the

1893
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:44,400
time I did feature that on the episode

1894
01:22:47,930 --> 01:22:46,080
as well I don't have it here with me now

1895
01:22:49,550 --> 01:22:47,940
but if you guys go back in the archives

1896
01:22:52,610 --> 01:22:49,560
or somewhere in the skies just look for

1897
01:22:55,370 --> 01:22:52,620
the O'Hare tapes uh episode with Stephen

1898
01:22:57,410 --> 01:22:55,380
Green Street and you do hear directly

1899
01:22:59,450 --> 01:22:57,420
from another witness who's never really

1900
01:23:01,610 --> 01:22:59,460
spoken before about it

1901
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:01,620
um and Sam Renta was kind enough to let

1902
01:23:05,390 --> 01:23:04,320
me provide that witness testimony on on

1903
01:23:08,450 --> 01:23:05,400
the show

1904
01:23:10,430 --> 01:23:08,460
um but yeah man I mean this this case is

1905
01:23:14,209 --> 01:23:10,440
just amazing and

1906
01:23:17,390 --> 01:23:14,219
what everyone claims is that this disc

1907
01:23:18,830 --> 01:23:17,400
seen over gate c17

1908
01:23:21,229 --> 01:23:18,840
shot up

1909
01:23:24,110 --> 01:23:21,239
punched a hole through the clouds and

1910
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:24,120
disappeared that like blew everyone's

1911
01:23:31,490 --> 01:23:27,840
mind so like wow that's okay okay let's

1912
01:23:35,570 --> 01:23:31,500
go let's go a whole punching Cloud UFO

1913
01:23:37,130 --> 01:23:35,580
um so you took it a step further and you

1914
01:23:40,570 --> 01:23:37,140
actually reached out to a group called

1915
01:23:42,770 --> 01:23:40,580
called applied physics and they actually

1916
01:23:44,450 --> 01:23:42,780
correct me if I'm wrong I want to know

1917
01:23:48,110 --> 01:23:44,460
kind of the origin story of how this

1918
01:23:52,669 --> 01:23:48,120
article came to be sure but why did this

1919
01:23:55,250 --> 01:23:52,679
group of very smart intelligent and

1920
01:23:58,490 --> 01:23:55,260
talented physicists get together to look

1921
01:24:00,050 --> 01:23:58,500
at the Chicago O'Hare UFO incident so I

1922
01:24:02,149 --> 01:24:00,060
guess let's start there what was the

1923
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:02,159
origin of the article and kind of what

1924
01:24:06,709 --> 01:24:03,600
was this Theory they brought forward

1925
01:24:08,630 --> 01:24:06,719
just give it to us plainly my man so um

1926
01:24:11,149 --> 01:24:08,640
I'm gonna paint a theoretical for you

1927
01:24:13,189 --> 01:24:11,159
right as I like to do again but singer

1928
01:24:15,229 --> 01:24:13,199
out in the jungle with some friends and

1929
01:24:16,729 --> 01:24:15,239
you see a creature fly over your head

1930
01:24:18,410 --> 01:24:16,739
and you're pretty sure it's a creature

1931
01:24:20,689 --> 01:24:18,420
it kind of flaps its wings or whatever

1932
01:24:21,890 --> 01:24:20,699
and it moves in a certain way and you

1933
01:24:23,630 --> 01:24:21,900
and your friends all look at each other

1934
01:24:27,050 --> 01:24:23,640
and go God what was that thing that just

1935
01:24:30,169 --> 01:24:27,060
flew overhead so you start comparing

1936
01:24:32,750 --> 01:24:30,179
where did we find it how did it move

1937
01:24:34,669 --> 01:24:32,760
what did it physically look like and

1938
01:24:37,310 --> 01:24:34,679
then what Maneuvers did it perform while

1939
01:24:39,410 --> 01:24:37,320
it was moving and you come back and go

1940
01:24:42,290 --> 01:24:39,420
well it wasn't a bird it's at least no

1941
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:42,300
bird that I know of and it wasn't the

1942
01:24:47,330 --> 01:24:45,840
moth and it wasn't really a bat and it

1943
01:24:50,209 --> 01:24:47,340
wasn't a you know there are certain

1944
01:24:52,910 --> 01:24:50,219
frogs that fly there's spiders that use

1945
01:24:55,090 --> 01:24:52,920
their webs to cast and fly so you go

1946
01:24:58,250 --> 01:24:55,100
nothing really

1947
01:24:59,930 --> 01:24:58,260
accounts for all the evidence just the

1948
01:25:02,930 --> 01:24:59,940
right way just like when I was talking

1949
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:02,940
about physics and and super symmetry or

1950
01:25:08,330 --> 01:25:05,280
or string theory and the reason people

1951
01:25:10,209 --> 01:25:08,340
come forward and go well you have all

1952
01:25:13,310 --> 01:25:10,219
these pieces of evidence and again

1953
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:13,320
testimonial evidence in this case

1954
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:16,800
so you have the description of where the

1955
01:25:21,709 --> 01:25:19,679
craft was you have the description of

1956
01:25:23,930 --> 01:25:21,719
the time of day you have the description

1957
01:25:25,910 --> 01:25:23,940
of the more or less the size and the

1958
01:25:28,370 --> 01:25:25,920
shape you have the description that it

1959
01:25:30,770 --> 01:25:28,380
was hovering in place you had this

1960
01:25:32,810 --> 01:25:30,780
description that it rapidly accelerated

1961
01:25:34,970 --> 01:25:32,820
and then you have the description that

1962
01:25:38,810 --> 01:25:34,980
it rapidly accelerated vertically

1963
01:25:41,709 --> 01:25:38,820
through the clouds and again punched a

1964
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:41,719
hole in the clouds so

1965
01:25:46,729 --> 01:25:44,400
that case as you pointed out has been

1966
01:25:48,410 --> 01:25:46,739
out there uh it has been something that

1967
01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:48,420
was discussed about so I didn't actually

1968
01:25:53,330 --> 01:25:50,880
reach out to the Applied Physics team

1969
01:25:55,850 --> 01:25:53,340
they actually reached out to me

1970
01:25:57,830 --> 01:25:55,860
and basically again imagine my scenario

1971
01:25:59,510 --> 01:25:57,840
where you've gone to the jungle and

1972
01:26:01,490 --> 01:25:59,520
you've seen this thing flying and you

1973
01:26:03,470 --> 01:26:01,500
can't figure out what this animal is and

1974
01:26:05,330 --> 01:26:03,480
you go to ornithologist and you describe

1975
01:26:07,910 --> 01:26:05,340
it they go no that's not really a bird

1976
01:26:09,950 --> 01:26:07,920
and then you go to Prime you know uh uh

1977
01:26:12,110 --> 01:26:09,960
people that deal with uh bats and they

1978
01:26:13,910 --> 01:26:12,120
go nah that's not really a bat and then

1979
01:26:16,910 --> 01:26:13,920
you go into insect experts and they go

1980
01:26:20,629 --> 01:26:16,920
no that's not really a moth and Nothing

1981
01:26:22,790 --> 01:26:20,639
fits the testimonial evidence this this

1982
01:26:25,729 --> 01:26:22,800
this thing in Chicago was not a drone

1983
01:26:28,010 --> 01:26:25,739
because of the fact that the size of it

1984
01:26:30,290 --> 01:26:28,020
and the fact that it shot up so rapidly

1985
01:26:32,750 --> 01:26:30,300
that just we know of no Jerome that even

1986
01:26:34,010 --> 01:26:32,760
now does that much less at the time the

1987
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:34,020
fact that it punched a hole in the

1988
01:26:39,649 --> 01:26:36,719
clouds the shape of it nothing

1989
01:26:41,570 --> 01:26:39,659
fit so what happened was this group

1990
01:26:43,669 --> 01:26:41,580
applied physics and I had known them

1991
01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:43,679
because I wrote a story about a warp

1992
01:26:50,209 --> 01:26:47,520
Theory they had like two years earlier

1993
01:26:53,450 --> 01:26:50,219
but they're just a real straight laced

1994
01:26:56,030 --> 01:26:53,460
Bell lab style physics group that does

1995
01:26:59,390 --> 01:26:56,040
consultation for Venture capitalists so

1996
01:27:02,330 --> 01:26:59,400
they're just 30 plus physicists who look

1997
01:27:06,110 --> 01:27:02,340
at science as their job they're not UFO

1998
01:27:07,490 --> 01:27:06,120
guys it's there's no uh as far as I know

1999
01:27:10,070 --> 01:27:07,500
no one in the group who has any

2000
01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:10,080
abduction stories or any magical stories

2001
01:27:14,209 --> 01:27:12,239
or anything these are literally just

2002
01:27:16,790 --> 01:27:14,219
scientists that do science for a living

2003
01:27:18,649 --> 01:27:16,800
and the head of the organization I knew

2004
01:27:21,290 --> 01:27:18,659
from a previous story I'd written about

2005
01:27:22,990 --> 01:27:21,300
two years earlier and he contacted me

2006
01:27:26,750 --> 01:27:23,000
and he says hey you know this famous

2007
01:27:28,189 --> 01:27:26,760
Chicago O'Hare case where all the you

2008
01:27:30,890 --> 01:27:28,199
know there seems to be a lot of witness

2009
01:27:32,750 --> 01:27:30,900
testimony about like I said all the

2010
01:27:35,209 --> 01:27:32,760
things size shape the way it moved all

2011
01:27:37,550 --> 01:27:35,219
of that that doesn't add up

2012
01:27:39,430 --> 01:27:37,560
and we just thought you might find it

2013
01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:39,440
interesting Chris over at the debrief

2014
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:41,360
that

2015
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:45,120
we can we within warp Theory which is

2016
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:46,560
something we've written about from a

2017
01:27:51,530 --> 01:27:48,719
theoretical basis

2018
01:27:53,930 --> 01:27:51,540
um we we have a theory that would

2019
01:27:55,490 --> 01:27:53,940
Encompass all of the testimonial

2020
01:27:57,890 --> 01:27:55,500
evidence that would account for

2021
01:28:00,530 --> 01:27:57,900
everything that people have described so

2022
01:28:02,450 --> 01:28:00,540
we're not saying this is what it is but

2023
01:28:04,430 --> 01:28:02,460
again in my example where you're in the

2024
01:28:05,810 --> 01:28:04,440
jungle and if you go through all the

2025
01:28:08,270 --> 01:28:05,820
pieces of evidence it doesn't fit

2026
01:28:09,709 --> 01:28:08,280
anything and then a paleontologist calls

2027
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:09,719
you and says you know you might have

2028
01:28:15,229 --> 01:28:12,719
seen a pterodactyl are the odds that you

2029
01:28:19,250 --> 01:28:15,239
saw a pterodactyl in the jungle in 2023

2030
01:28:21,590 --> 01:28:19,260
no but if everything he described that

2031
01:28:24,050 --> 01:28:21,600
you describe is the way it's wings flap

2032
01:28:26,450 --> 01:28:24,060
and the way it moved and the the time of

2033
01:28:28,610 --> 01:28:26,460
day it was and the way it flew and all

2034
01:28:31,070 --> 01:28:28,620
of those things

2035
01:28:33,470 --> 01:28:31,080
that's that's what happened here so I

2036
01:28:36,169 --> 01:28:33,480
had an expert on warp Theory

2037
01:28:38,209 --> 01:28:36,179
who runs a group of straight mainstream

2038
01:28:40,729 --> 01:28:38,219
physicists who do mainstream physics

2039
01:28:44,410 --> 01:28:40,739
contact me and say

2040
01:28:46,729 --> 01:28:44,420
there is a theory that would explain

2041
01:28:50,030 --> 01:28:46,739
everything in that case at least

2042
01:28:52,370 --> 01:28:50,040
everything as again no photos no videos

2043
01:28:55,490 --> 01:28:52,380
no or at least none that we have seen

2044
01:28:58,570 --> 01:28:55,500
but would explain what the witnesses say

2045
01:29:02,330 --> 01:28:58,580
they saw which is a disc shaped craft

2046
01:29:05,209 --> 01:29:02,340
hovering in place broad daylight massive

2047
01:29:06,950 --> 01:29:05,219
in size and rapidly accelerating

2048
01:29:09,110 --> 01:29:06,960
vertically and then ripping a hole in

2049
01:29:12,590 --> 01:29:09,120
the clouds and the thing that would

2050
01:29:16,070 --> 01:29:12,600
account for all of that is a warp drive

2051
01:29:18,830 --> 01:29:16,080
spacecraft and that's where the the

2052
01:29:20,990 --> 01:29:18,840
Genesis came if you take the time to

2053
01:29:22,910 --> 01:29:21,000
read my article I kind of broke down and

2054
01:29:25,310 --> 01:29:22,920
Micah Hanks and I co-wrote that together

2055
01:29:26,629 --> 01:29:25,320
because he's kind of our UFO historian

2056
01:29:30,050 --> 01:29:26,639
at the debrief and he knew a lot more

2057
01:29:32,510 --> 01:29:30,060
about the the O'Hare case than I did and

2058
01:29:34,669 --> 01:29:32,520
we kind of combined forces and came up

2059
01:29:36,590 --> 01:29:34,679
with the story of here's what Witnesses

2060
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:36,600
say they saw

2061
01:29:43,070 --> 01:29:40,080
and then here's a scientific theory from

2062
01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:43,080
scientists that takes all of that

2063
01:29:50,870 --> 01:29:46,320
testimony into account and makes it all

2064
01:29:53,570 --> 01:29:50,880
add up and if that was a a disc shaped

2065
01:29:55,610 --> 01:29:53,580
craft which is an ideal form for a

2066
01:29:59,570 --> 01:29:55,620
warped ship and they lay that out in the

2067
01:30:01,550 --> 01:29:59,580
article and if it were able to hover and

2068
01:30:03,350 --> 01:30:01,560
if it did punch a hole in the clouds oh

2069
01:30:06,050 --> 01:30:03,360
and also the fact that it didn't show up

2070
01:30:08,209 --> 01:30:06,060
on radar a warp craft will not show up

2071
01:30:10,070 --> 01:30:08,219
on radar because it will bend because

2072
01:30:12,110 --> 01:30:10,080
the manipulation of gravity will bend

2073
01:30:13,729 --> 01:30:12,120
the radar signature around it and shoot

2074
01:30:15,770 --> 01:30:13,739
it out the other side like you

2075
01:30:18,709 --> 01:30:15,780
theoretically if you make something

2076
01:30:20,750 --> 01:30:18,719
radar invisible that's how you do it

2077
01:30:23,090 --> 01:30:20,760
or even if sometimes they make things

2078
01:30:24,590 --> 01:30:23,100
invisible to infrared or ultraviolet we

2079
01:30:26,570 --> 01:30:24,600
haven't haven't made things perfectly

2080
01:30:27,890 --> 01:30:26,580
invisible to visible light yet but

2081
01:30:29,990 --> 01:30:27,900
that's how they do it just bend it

2082
01:30:31,970 --> 01:30:30,000
around and dissipated the energy on the

2083
01:30:35,450 --> 01:30:31,980
other side so if you take that radar

2084
01:30:38,570 --> 01:30:35,460
energy and you so yeah they came to me

2085
01:30:42,709 --> 01:30:38,580
and said we would like to write up for

2086
01:30:45,470 --> 01:30:42,719
you why the Chicago O'Hare incident why

2087
01:30:48,649 --> 01:30:45,480
all the testimony if you add it all up

2088
01:30:50,330 --> 01:30:48,659
the one thing that we know of that would

2089
01:30:51,830 --> 01:30:50,340
account for all of the things that

2090
01:30:53,350 --> 01:30:51,840
people are saying is a warp drive

2091
01:30:56,390 --> 01:30:53,360
spacecraft

2092
01:30:59,270 --> 01:30:56,400
crazy and I know

2093
01:31:01,370 --> 01:30:59,280
um over on that UFO podcast you guys

2094
01:31:04,330 --> 01:31:01,380
brought up the fact that I called you uh

2095
01:31:08,810 --> 01:31:04,340
that dude that loves his warp drives um

2096
01:31:11,330 --> 01:31:08,820
this must have like just totally like

2097
01:31:14,510 --> 01:31:11,340
major day man when they you saw that

2098
01:31:16,850 --> 01:31:14,520
this group was looking at this um what

2099
01:31:19,729 --> 01:31:16,860
what did you think when a group of

2100
01:31:21,890 --> 01:31:19,739
physicists were getting together to

2101
01:31:26,270 --> 01:31:21,900
theorize about a UFO case I mean this

2102
01:31:28,070 --> 01:31:26,280
this is what we have needed in the UFO

2103
01:31:30,950 --> 01:31:28,080
field for so long I've talked to Micah

2104
01:31:33,850 --> 01:31:30,960
about this where Micah and a few other

2105
01:31:37,129 --> 01:31:33,860
people they were looking at cases during

2106
01:31:39,649 --> 01:31:37,139
Antiquity and looking at different you

2107
01:31:42,410 --> 01:31:39,659
know what was the weather at this time

2108
01:31:45,410 --> 01:31:42,420
and and what was going on this side this

2109
01:31:47,390 --> 01:31:45,420
that and being able to deduce what a

2110
01:31:51,890 --> 01:31:47,400
possible UFO was in the time of

2111
01:31:54,770 --> 01:31:51,900
antiquity so retroactively attempting to

2112
01:31:57,290 --> 01:31:54,780
solve a UFO case and now we have some of

2113
01:31:58,790 --> 01:31:57,300
the most like the most Brilliant Minds

2114
01:32:02,209 --> 01:31:58,800
looking at something like the Chicago

2115
01:32:04,910 --> 01:32:02,219
O'Hare incident being like this is a

2116
01:32:07,790 --> 01:32:04,920
possibility we're not saying that the

2117
01:32:09,590 --> 01:32:07,800
Chicago O'Hare UFO was definitely E.T

2118
01:32:12,709 --> 01:32:09,600
using a warp drive we're not saying that

2119
01:32:15,229 --> 01:32:12,719
but this is possible

2120
01:32:16,790 --> 01:32:15,239
um and it's the one theory that would

2121
01:32:19,850 --> 01:32:16,800
account for all of the different

2122
01:32:21,169 --> 01:32:19,860
testimonies right so right it's the one

2123
01:32:24,169 --> 01:32:21,179
we know of

2124
01:32:26,510 --> 01:32:24,179
what do you make of this that a group is

2125
01:32:29,330 --> 01:32:26,520
now retroactively looking at different

2126
01:32:31,669 --> 01:32:29,340
UFO cases I mean this is just the first

2127
01:32:32,930 --> 01:32:31,679
one they looked at is there a

2128
01:32:35,149 --> 01:32:32,940
possibility I'm going to ask you

2129
01:32:39,229 --> 01:32:35,159
straight out are is this group going to

2130
01:32:41,930 --> 01:32:39,239
keep looking at other past UFO incidents

2131
01:32:44,090 --> 01:32:41,940
I hope so so one of the things Johnny

2132
01:32:46,510 --> 01:32:44,100
martire who's the president of this

2133
01:32:49,550 --> 01:32:46,520
group told me was

2134
01:32:51,950 --> 01:32:49,560
he laments the fact that every kid in

2135
01:32:53,570 --> 01:32:51,960
school wants to be an influencer and

2136
01:32:55,250 --> 01:32:53,580
nobody wants to be a scientist right

2137
01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:55,260
because he's a scientist and he worked

2138
01:33:00,410 --> 01:32:57,840
with scientists and he says part of

2139
01:33:03,649 --> 01:33:00,420
their goal at Applied Physics the group

2140
01:33:06,169 --> 01:33:03,659
he runs is how do we make physics fun

2141
01:33:08,330 --> 01:33:06,179
how do we make science interesting how

2142
01:33:10,430 --> 01:33:08,340
do we make kids say this is something I

2143
01:33:14,149 --> 01:33:10,440
want to do with my life and something

2144
01:33:17,030 --> 01:33:14,159
I'm curious about and so he said why not

2145
01:33:19,610 --> 01:33:17,040
engage on these things that may be

2146
01:33:20,510 --> 01:33:19,620
Fantastical as far as the testimony of

2147
01:33:26,330 --> 01:33:20,520
it

2148
01:33:28,430 --> 01:33:26,340
at the Tic Tac case why not look at some

2149
01:33:31,669 --> 01:33:28,440
of these other ones that seem to have a

2150
01:33:33,410 --> 01:33:31,679
lot of good testimony on something that

2151
01:33:35,930 --> 01:33:33,420
people had a hard time explaining and

2152
01:33:37,970 --> 01:33:35,940
see if there's a scientific analysis I

2153
01:33:39,709 --> 01:33:37,980
know that Kevin knuth and some of these

2154
01:33:42,169 --> 01:33:39,719
other guys at the scientific Coalition

2155
01:33:44,149 --> 01:33:42,179
for UAP studies kind of did that with

2156
01:33:45,890 --> 01:33:44,159
the Tic Tac and they said well if the

2157
01:33:48,530 --> 01:33:45,900
radar tracks were right that the thing

2158
01:33:49,850 --> 01:33:48,540
was going from 80 000 feet to 50 feet in

2159
01:33:52,550 --> 01:33:49,860
less than a second

2160
01:33:55,370 --> 01:33:52,560
what would do that how would that work

2161
01:33:56,810 --> 01:33:55,380
what would the energy requirements be if

2162
01:33:58,790 --> 01:33:56,820
there was something that were 40 feet

2163
01:34:02,209 --> 01:33:58,800
long like the tick tock and a hat Tic

2164
01:34:04,370 --> 01:34:02,219
Tac and it had no control services and

2165
01:34:07,070 --> 01:34:04,380
it was moving at the speed and had the

2166
01:34:08,810 --> 01:34:07,080
maneuverability from a scientific

2167
01:34:11,750 --> 01:34:08,820
standpoint

2168
01:34:14,090 --> 01:34:11,760
is there something we could come up with

2169
01:34:16,729 --> 01:34:14,100
that would account for that testimony

2170
01:34:20,209 --> 01:34:16,739
that would account for what people say

2171
01:34:23,030 --> 01:34:20,219
they're seeing with their eyes so I can

2172
01:34:24,950 --> 01:34:23,040
tell you that after they did this

2173
01:34:28,850 --> 01:34:24,960
analysis that you're talking about and

2174
01:34:32,149 --> 01:34:28,860
this article came out uh I saw a cc of

2175
01:34:34,550 --> 01:34:32,159
an email from Micah Hanks telling Johnny

2176
01:34:36,830 --> 01:34:34,560
the head of Applied Physics that the

2177
01:34:40,370 --> 01:34:36,840
group at the scientific Coalition for

2178
01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:40,380
UAP studies the SCU really found their

2179
01:34:44,390 --> 01:34:42,239
article interesting they had some

2180
01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:44,400
thoughts that were seem to be in support

2181
01:34:50,149 --> 01:34:46,800
of their conclusion or at least their

2182
01:34:52,310 --> 01:34:50,159
proposed conclusion and that they wanted

2183
01:34:55,070 --> 01:34:52,320
to put those two together to yeah

2184
01:34:58,129 --> 01:34:55,080
potentially work on some other stuff and

2185
01:35:01,490 --> 01:34:58,139
Johnny said yeah we're interested so uh

2186
01:35:03,649 --> 01:35:01,500
I can't report that any specific cases

2187
01:35:06,229 --> 01:35:03,659
they're looking at yet or any specific

2188
01:35:08,810 --> 01:35:06,239
conclusions they're making yet but I can

2189
01:35:11,090 --> 01:35:08,820
tell you that aside from people that

2190
01:35:12,709 --> 01:35:11,100
maybe people are more critical like a

2191
01:35:15,229 --> 01:35:12,719
Travis Taylor some of these people that

2192
01:35:19,490 --> 01:35:15,239
maybe bring some baggage with them that

2193
01:35:21,950 --> 01:35:19,500
uh this group of physicists who doesn't

2194
01:35:24,110 --> 01:35:21,960
you know have any background in UFOs

2195
01:35:26,510 --> 01:35:24,120
haven't appeared on any ancient alien

2196
01:35:29,330 --> 01:35:26,520
shows don't seem to have any skin in the

2197
01:35:32,030 --> 01:35:29,340
UFO game but are just purely scientists

2198
01:35:34,490 --> 01:35:32,040
that are interested in it they are now

2199
01:35:36,350 --> 01:35:34,500
yeah it does look like they may team up

2200
01:35:38,870 --> 01:35:36,360
with the SEO and they may look at some

2201
01:35:41,750 --> 01:35:38,880
past cases and I think there may even be

2202
01:35:43,250 --> 01:35:41,760
some cases that have some radar data and

2203
01:35:45,890 --> 01:35:43,260
things like that that they want to look

2204
01:35:47,750 --> 01:35:45,900
at as well that you know maybe maybe a

2205
01:35:49,790 --> 01:35:47,760
little more meat on the scientific bone

2206
01:35:52,669 --> 01:35:49,800
as opposed to just taking testimony

2207
01:35:55,970 --> 01:35:52,679
which as we started this whole show with

2208
01:35:58,250 --> 01:35:55,980
Mick West and other people lamenting uh

2209
01:36:01,629 --> 01:35:58,260
a low information Zone story that's just

2210
01:36:04,310 --> 01:36:01,639
testimony and no physical evidence

2211
01:36:06,290 --> 01:36:04,320
nonetheless it's a fun thought

2212
01:36:08,450 --> 01:36:06,300
experiment if you're a scientist to look

2213
01:36:10,850 --> 01:36:08,460
at it and go can we come up like people

2214
01:36:13,370 --> 01:36:10,860
are reporting something really insane

2215
01:36:17,149 --> 01:36:13,380
is there a way to scientifically validly

2216
01:36:19,550 --> 01:36:17,159
explain that the one extra thing

2217
01:36:21,410 --> 01:36:19,560
I would add to this case is when I was

2218
01:36:24,110 --> 01:36:21,420
first approached by Johnny back in

2219
01:36:25,970 --> 01:36:24,120
December about this and he told me that

2220
01:36:28,729 --> 01:36:25,980
they might want to do this

2221
01:36:31,669 --> 01:36:28,739
and he laid out the theory for me about

2222
01:36:35,930 --> 01:36:31,679
a warped spacecraft I said so yeah

2223
01:36:39,169 --> 01:36:35,940
either an alien spaceship or a secret

2224
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:39,179
man-made warp project any kind of laugh

2225
01:36:42,649 --> 01:36:41,280
and he goes we don't have anything like

2226
01:36:44,689 --> 01:36:42,659
that and I said what do you mean we

2227
01:36:46,189 --> 01:36:44,699
don't have any of that like you know and

2228
01:36:47,870 --> 01:36:46,199
he says well I'm not saying I know I

2229
01:36:49,970 --> 01:36:47,880
know I'm just saying I know and I said

2230
01:36:52,810 --> 01:36:49,980
well what do you mean and he said

2231
01:36:54,890 --> 01:36:52,820
something like warp is only dealt with

2232
01:36:56,930 --> 01:36:54,900
scientifically in a very small community

2233
01:37:00,050 --> 01:36:56,940
the first real Theory didn't come out to

2234
01:37:01,850 --> 01:37:00,060
the mid 90s with the mathematician

2235
01:37:04,729 --> 01:37:01,860
a Mexican mathematician named Miguel

2236
01:37:06,830 --> 01:37:04,739
alcubiere so not even you know 29 years

2237
01:37:10,430 --> 01:37:06,840
ago was the first like scientifically

2238
01:37:12,470 --> 01:37:10,440
sound warp Theory and even that has some

2239
01:37:14,810 --> 01:37:12,480
magic physics in it to make it all work

2240
01:37:17,990 --> 01:37:14,820
and his group has written a paper

2241
01:37:19,910 --> 01:37:18,000
Johnny's group Applied Physics about a

2242
01:37:24,110 --> 01:37:19,920
physical warp drive a thing that

2243
01:37:25,129 --> 01:37:24,120
wouldn't require any uh exotic matter or

2244
01:37:27,169 --> 01:37:25,139
wouldn't have any of the energy

2245
01:37:29,689 --> 01:37:27,179
violations that some of the more complex

2246
01:37:32,689 --> 01:37:29,699
theories had and he told me he says look

2247
01:37:34,610 --> 01:37:32,699
it's a small group of people on the

2248
01:37:37,610 --> 01:37:34,620
whole planet that works on this sort of

2249
01:37:40,129 --> 01:37:37,620
stuff it's all relatively new

2250
01:37:42,169 --> 01:37:40,139
if there were a secret project somewhere

2251
01:37:43,550 --> 01:37:42,179
where humans were building a wart Drive

2252
01:37:47,270 --> 01:37:43,560
spacecraft

2253
01:37:48,890 --> 01:37:47,280
just by default me and the people I know

2254
01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:48,900
and the people I work with in this

2255
01:37:52,850 --> 01:37:51,360
community would either be involved or we

2256
01:37:55,790 --> 01:37:52,860
wouldn't know the people involved it's

2257
01:37:58,129 --> 01:37:55,800
just too small of the community so he

2258
01:38:00,350 --> 01:37:58,139
says I'm not saying it's alien but I'm

2259
01:38:02,030 --> 01:38:00,360
telling you if it was a warp craft it's

2260
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:02,040
not human and I thought that was really

2261
01:38:07,850 --> 01:38:04,560
an interesting point to make from a

2262
01:38:09,229 --> 01:38:07,860
scientist standpoint that that because I

2263
01:38:11,689 --> 01:38:09,239
always argue that you know I always

2264
01:38:13,850 --> 01:38:11,699
argue that the the triangle craft I saw

2265
01:38:16,790 --> 01:38:13,860
in 1977 might have just been a secret

2266
01:38:19,910 --> 01:38:16,800
project a CIA or Air Force or something

2267
01:38:22,910 --> 01:38:19,920
project Tic Tac we saw into the pilot

2268
01:38:24,290 --> 01:38:22,920
saw in 2006 might just be a secret human

2269
01:38:26,990 --> 01:38:24,300
project

2270
01:38:29,390 --> 01:38:27,000
and his point was if there is a warp

2271
01:38:32,510 --> 01:38:29,400
spacecraft and it was hovering over gate

2272
01:38:34,370 --> 01:38:32,520
C7 or whatever the gate was at a Chicago

2273
01:38:36,890 --> 01:38:34,380
O'Hare and it ripped through the clouds

2274
01:38:38,930 --> 01:38:36,900
it's not man-made because they're just

2275
01:38:41,270 --> 01:38:38,940
not the the infrastructure in place for

2276
01:38:43,790 --> 01:38:41,280
us to have made the advancements to

2277
01:38:46,070 --> 01:38:43,800
something like that wow

2278
01:38:49,490 --> 01:38:46,080
it's quite a uh quite a statement to

2279
01:38:51,830 --> 01:38:49,500
take to make and I love that square

2280
01:38:54,590 --> 01:38:51,840
square scientists not guys coming

2281
01:38:56,810 --> 01:38:54,600
they're not really UFO people anyone in

2282
01:38:59,689 --> 01:38:56,820
the group that I've talked to I talked

2283
01:39:01,970 --> 01:38:59,699
to Brian melker PhD or Brendan melker

2284
01:39:03,590 --> 01:39:01,980
who's uh did a lot of the analysis in

2285
01:39:05,149 --> 01:39:03,600
that article and he's part of their team

2286
01:39:07,729 --> 01:39:05,159
and

2287
01:39:10,310 --> 01:39:07,739
he was very cautious when talking to me

2288
01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:10,320
to make sure that we put out there we're

2289
01:39:15,530 --> 01:39:12,960
not saying yeah that this is an alien

2290
01:39:18,530 --> 01:39:15,540
wart Drive spacecraft what we're saying

2291
01:39:20,330 --> 01:39:18,540
is if all of the testimonial evidence is

2292
01:39:22,189 --> 01:39:20,340
accurate if this is what it looked like

2293
01:39:24,410 --> 01:39:22,199
if this is what it was shaped like this

2294
01:39:25,850 --> 01:39:24,420
is how it moved and it didn't show up by

2295
01:39:29,810 --> 01:39:25,860
radar and it shot through the clouds and

2296
01:39:32,149 --> 01:39:29,820
created a hole we can we can offer one

2297
01:39:35,810 --> 01:39:32,159
sound theory that brings all those

2298
01:39:37,850 --> 01:39:35,820
pieces of data into account and still uh

2299
01:39:40,910 --> 01:39:37,860
works that it doesn't fail on any of

2300
01:39:42,770 --> 01:39:40,920
that analysis so uh even though they

2301
01:39:44,209 --> 01:39:42,780
were saying and that could have been an

2302
01:39:45,770 --> 01:39:44,219
alien spacecraft they wanted to make

2303
01:39:48,770 --> 01:39:45,780
sure that they said hey we're not saying

2304
01:39:52,490 --> 01:39:48,780
it's an alien space of course but but we

2305
01:39:54,530 --> 01:39:52,500
are no no no I'm just yeah right well

2306
01:39:56,090 --> 01:39:54,540
this is the curse of working at the

2307
01:39:57,709 --> 01:39:56,100
debris because things people like to

2308
01:39:59,750 --> 01:39:57,719
tell you off bike and I'm sure you

2309
01:40:01,669 --> 01:39:59,760
experienced it at this job yeah and

2310
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:01,679
mainstream scientists all the time like

2311
01:40:07,129 --> 01:40:03,600
to tell me wacky things and then tell me

2312
01:40:07,990 --> 01:40:07,139
you can't repeat that dude if I showed

2313
01:40:14,450 --> 01:40:08,000
you

2314
01:40:17,930 --> 01:40:14,460
Twitter or my email of what people say

2315
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:17,940
this is off the Record or this is um you

2316
01:40:22,850 --> 01:40:20,880
know this can't be what you put in an

2317
01:40:25,189 --> 01:40:22,860
actual article or on the show

2318
01:40:26,930 --> 01:40:25,199
um oh god well you know who does think

2319
01:40:29,629 --> 01:40:26,940
that this was

2320
01:40:32,090 --> 01:40:29,639
ET warp drive Craft

2321
01:40:35,390 --> 01:40:32,100
um most of our audience I did a poll

2322
01:40:39,050 --> 01:40:35,400
actually Chris over on YouTube of um

2323
01:40:40,729 --> 01:40:39,060
what was the 2006 show Chicago O'Hare

2324
01:40:44,090 --> 01:40:40,739
UFO

2325
01:40:47,149 --> 01:40:44,100
um and let's go through this poll here

2326
01:40:49,490 --> 01:40:47,159
um as we speak five percent believe it

2327
01:40:50,750 --> 01:40:49,500
was a balloon so Mick West would be very

2328
01:40:53,330 --> 01:40:50,760
happy with that

2329
01:40:56,030 --> 01:40:53,340
um he was probably actually why yeah

2330
01:40:58,189 --> 01:40:56,040
right he was probably the five percent

2331
01:41:01,510 --> 01:40:58,199
actually who put that

2332
01:41:04,610 --> 01:41:01,520
um 15 believe it was a hole punch cloud

2333
01:41:08,570 --> 01:41:04,620
28 believe it was an interdimensional

2334
01:41:12,709 --> 01:41:08,580
craft and 52 percent believe it was a

2335
01:41:14,990 --> 01:41:12,719
warp drive E.T craft yeah and so the

2336
01:41:17,570 --> 01:41:15,000
hole punch cloud is addressed in the

2337
01:41:20,570 --> 01:41:17,580
article that we did and I think it's

2338
01:41:23,510 --> 01:41:20,580
important to note that hole punch clouds

2339
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:23,520
are a real thing they exist in nature

2340
01:41:26,930 --> 01:41:24,719
you can see them up in the sky

2341
01:41:29,390 --> 01:41:26,940
periodically they do even occasionally

2342
01:41:31,790 --> 01:41:29,400
occur around airports the problem is

2343
01:41:33,890 --> 01:41:31,800
when it comes to temperature and

2344
01:41:35,810 --> 01:41:33,900
humidity and other aspects that have to

2345
01:41:37,910 --> 01:41:35,820
be in alignment for them to exist I

2346
01:41:41,330 --> 01:41:37,920
think they're also called Full streak

2347
01:41:45,310 --> 01:41:41,340
clouds just didn't exist that day it was

2348
01:41:48,109 --> 01:41:45,320
too warm uh the the the the various

2349
01:41:49,669 --> 01:41:48,119
atmospheric information wasn't of a

2350
01:41:53,270 --> 01:41:49,679
nature that you would get because it has

2351
01:41:56,209 --> 01:41:53,280
to do with uh the The Vapor freezing and

2352
01:41:58,189 --> 01:41:56,219
coalescing yeah exactly to a point and

2353
01:42:02,810 --> 01:41:58,199
then dropping down and you get this nice

2354
01:42:07,250 --> 01:42:02,820
round hole so people are right that even

2355
01:42:09,709 --> 01:42:07,260
if it was a UFO uh even even if the most

2356
01:42:11,870 --> 01:42:09,719
outlandished answer that it was an alien

2357
01:42:13,850 --> 01:42:11,880
warp drive spacecraft is the right

2358
01:42:15,649 --> 01:42:13,860
answer it would still be a hole punch

2359
01:42:18,169 --> 01:42:15,659
cloud so anybody who says it's a hole

2360
01:42:20,450 --> 01:42:18,179
punch cloud is still accurate if they're

2361
01:42:22,310 --> 01:42:20,460
saying it's a naturally forming hole

2362
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:22,320
punch or fall straight Cloud it doesn't

2363
01:42:27,050 --> 01:42:24,719
seem that the atmospheric dynamics that

2364
01:42:29,510 --> 01:42:27,060
day at that time uh were of in nature

2365
01:42:31,310 --> 01:42:29,520
that it could have happened uh on its

2366
01:42:33,229 --> 01:42:31,320
own uh is it possible that an airplane

2367
01:42:35,030 --> 01:42:33,239
shot through the clouds or a drone or

2368
01:42:36,709 --> 01:42:35,040
something else shot through yeah I think

2369
01:42:39,290 --> 01:42:36,719
the atmospheric Dynamics would have

2370
01:42:42,709 --> 01:42:39,300
supported that so again

2371
01:42:45,649 --> 01:42:42,719
did people see something else that just

2372
01:42:47,570 --> 01:42:45,659
looked like a disc and looked like it

2373
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:47,580
was shooting straight up vertically it

2374
01:42:51,709 --> 01:42:48,960
looked like it was a thousand feet

2375
01:42:53,750 --> 01:42:51,719
around and it was really just a drone or

2376
01:42:55,490 --> 01:42:53,760
an airplane or something else or by an

2377
01:42:57,470 --> 01:42:55,500
airport of course that's a legitimate

2378
01:42:59,030 --> 01:42:57,480
explanation we just had a lot of

2379
01:43:01,189 --> 01:42:59,040
Witnesses in this case who weren't

2380
01:43:04,070 --> 01:43:01,199
connected to each other describing him

2381
01:43:06,950 --> 01:43:04,080
as a disc describing it as huge describe

2382
01:43:08,950 --> 01:43:06,960
it as rapidly accelerating vertically so

2383
01:43:11,030 --> 01:43:08,960
none of those things seem to support

2384
01:43:15,470 --> 01:43:11,040
conventional aircraft we know of

2385
01:43:17,270 --> 01:43:15,480
especially in 2006. right exactly this

2386
01:43:20,090 --> 01:43:17,280
is a great question and I was actually

2387
01:43:22,669 --> 01:43:20,100
going to ask you about this Chris

2388
01:43:25,790 --> 01:43:22,679
um Chris do you think they were doing

2389
01:43:28,550 --> 01:43:25,800
the research on behalf of Arrow if

2390
01:43:30,530 --> 01:43:28,560
they're not dude like they should be

2391
01:43:33,109 --> 01:43:30,540
because these are the type of people

2392
01:43:35,689 --> 01:43:33,119
they need that Arrow looking at this

2393
01:43:38,510 --> 01:43:35,699
stuff since they are saying that they're

2394
01:43:41,090 --> 01:43:38,520
a science-based you know group looking

2395
01:43:44,590 --> 01:43:41,100
at this thing so yeah what do you think

2396
01:43:48,109 --> 01:43:44,600
of Arrow and all of this should they be

2397
01:43:50,570 --> 01:43:48,119
applied physics I can tell you this if I

2398
01:43:52,910 --> 01:43:50,580
were the team running arrow and I were

2399
01:43:56,270 --> 01:43:52,920
looking for a group of scientists to get

2400
01:44:00,050 --> 01:43:56,280
involved that again were were well

2401
01:44:02,209 --> 01:44:00,060
credentialed professional uh on top of

2402
01:44:05,450 --> 01:44:02,219
their game and not anybody with any

2403
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:05,460
previous Notions as to reality or lack

2404
01:44:10,250 --> 01:44:07,920
of reality at or anything like that yeah

2405
01:44:13,430 --> 01:44:10,260
this is the exact group these are this

2406
01:44:14,750 --> 01:44:13,440
is what they do is they look at like I

2407
01:44:17,750 --> 01:44:14,760
said a lot of times they're looking at

2408
01:44:20,629 --> 01:44:17,760
technology for Investments for VCS to

2409
01:44:22,790 --> 01:44:20,639
validate whether the technology is

2410
01:44:26,870 --> 01:44:22,800
viable or something like that so yeah

2411
01:44:29,390 --> 01:44:26,880
this is you know when we think about UAP

2412
01:44:31,970 --> 01:44:29,400
task force or Arrow or any of these

2413
01:44:33,770 --> 01:44:31,980
official organizations and we envision a

2414
01:44:36,709 --> 01:44:33,780
group of scientists behind the scene

2415
01:44:38,930 --> 01:44:36,719
looking at cases and trying to analyze

2416
01:44:40,910 --> 01:44:38,940
them scientifically I think this is what

2417
01:44:42,950 --> 01:44:40,920
guys like me and a lot of us fantasize

2418
01:44:45,109 --> 01:44:42,960
is that it's a team of really smart

2419
01:44:47,209 --> 01:44:45,119
people who are professionally trained

2420
01:44:49,070 --> 01:44:47,219
scientists who don't have any skin in

2421
01:44:51,709 --> 01:44:49,080
the game either way they're just brought

2422
01:44:54,290 --> 01:44:51,719
in as consultants to just look at it I

2423
01:44:56,470 --> 01:44:54,300
think actually Kirkpatrick is that his

2424
01:44:59,450 --> 01:44:56,480
name Kilpatrick or Patrick

2425
01:45:01,129 --> 01:44:59,460
yeah I think he's kind of For Better or

2426
01:45:03,590 --> 01:45:01,139
Worse somebody like that who's got no

2427
01:45:05,570 --> 01:45:03,600
skin in the game either way is it you

2428
01:45:06,830 --> 01:45:05,580
know and it's not the content committee

2429
01:45:09,290 --> 01:45:06,840
where you have somebody who's

2430
01:45:10,910 --> 01:45:09,300
predisposed against or it's not project

2431
01:45:14,270 --> 01:45:10,920
sign where you have scientists that are

2432
01:45:16,910 --> 01:45:14,280
predisposed for et or something but just

2433
01:45:18,770 --> 01:45:16,920
completely agnostic scientists that are

2434
01:45:20,510 --> 01:45:18,780
just saying let me see the evidence and

2435
01:45:23,030 --> 01:45:20,520
let me analyze it I'll give you our best

2436
01:45:25,790 --> 01:45:23,040
bet so are they working for Arrow now

2437
01:45:27,169 --> 01:45:25,800
I'm pretty confident they are not and if

2438
01:45:29,030 --> 01:45:27,179
they are and they haven't told me that

2439
01:45:31,550 --> 01:45:29,040
shame on them over in Applied Physics

2440
01:45:33,290 --> 01:45:31,560
but uh I do think this is the type of

2441
01:45:35,990 --> 01:45:33,300
group that should be working with arrow

2442
01:45:36,649 --> 01:45:36,000
and I wouldn't be surprised

2443
01:45:39,470 --> 01:45:36,659
um

2444
01:45:41,629 --> 01:45:39,480
if that's a a connection they end up

2445
01:45:43,910 --> 01:45:41,639
making because it is such a large group

2446
01:45:46,129 --> 01:45:43,920
of like I said it's over 30 physicists

2447
01:45:48,050 --> 01:45:46,139
they're from around the world a bunch of

2448
01:45:49,970 --> 01:45:48,060
them are in different countries Johnny

2449
01:45:51,770 --> 01:45:49,980
himself lives in New York I think the

2450
01:45:53,870 --> 01:45:51,780
group is headquartered out of Sweden

2451
01:45:55,609 --> 01:45:53,880
that's where his partner Alexi who

2452
01:45:57,950 --> 01:45:55,619
co-founded it with him and actually

2453
01:46:01,189 --> 01:45:57,960
co-wrote a work paper two years ago

2454
01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:01,199
that's how I originally met them uh so

2455
01:46:05,689 --> 01:46:04,080
uh yeah this is the type of group that

2456
01:46:08,030 --> 01:46:05,699
should be doing that analysis it's a

2457
01:46:09,709 --> 01:46:08,040
Time group I would feel very good doing

2458
01:46:11,709 --> 01:46:09,719
it because they're not coming in with

2459
01:46:15,229 --> 01:46:11,719
any preconceived

2460
01:46:18,109 --> 01:46:15,239
absolutely yeah again I I think this is

2461
01:46:21,109 --> 01:46:18,119
so exciting and invigorating to have a

2462
01:46:24,890 --> 01:46:21,119
group like this looking into past UFO

2463
01:46:27,229 --> 01:46:24,900
cases and possibly current UFO cases in

2464
01:46:30,050 --> 01:46:27,239
real time as they get you know reported

2465
01:46:32,750 --> 01:46:30,060
to arrow and stuff like that so yeah I

2466
01:46:34,910 --> 01:46:32,760
think this is an awesome lead that you

2467
01:46:37,070 --> 01:46:34,920
got over there at the debrief and a

2468
01:46:39,109 --> 01:46:37,080
working relationship with this group

2469
01:46:42,830 --> 01:46:39,119
that I think is only going to enhance

2470
01:46:44,990 --> 01:46:42,840
the the legitimacy of the topic being

2471
01:46:48,290 --> 01:46:45,000
taken seriously of UFOs in the

2472
01:46:49,970 --> 01:46:48,300
scientific you know aspect so I I think

2473
01:46:52,129 --> 01:46:49,980
it's awesome Chris I think this article

2474
01:46:55,070 --> 01:46:52,139
you put together was well worth the wait

2475
01:46:56,270 --> 01:46:55,080
you know we we had heard Rumblings that

2476
01:47:00,410 --> 01:46:56,280
you were working on something with

2477
01:47:02,510 --> 01:47:00,420
Chicago O'Hare for a while so um I I

2478
01:47:03,550 --> 01:47:02,520
think you delivered man this this was

2479
01:47:06,530 --> 01:47:03,560
awesome

2480
01:47:08,570 --> 01:47:06,540
you know I I think we've reached the

2481
01:47:10,490 --> 01:47:08,580
point and I think this was uh again to

2482
01:47:12,410 --> 01:47:10,500
come back to the original opening story

2483
01:47:15,169 --> 01:47:12,420
here I think there's a a lot of people

2484
01:47:17,689 --> 01:47:15,179
that are like if it's not new video or

2485
01:47:19,550 --> 01:47:17,699
it's not new photos I'm not interested

2486
01:47:21,590 --> 01:47:19,560
I'm not interested in any more stories

2487
01:47:25,189 --> 01:47:21,600
and I'm not interested in the analysis

2488
01:47:28,010 --> 01:47:25,199
of stories so if you're in that uh Camp

2489
01:47:30,109 --> 01:47:28,020
I think this would just be more stories

2490
01:47:31,910 --> 01:47:30,119
and Analysis of stories but if you're

2491
01:47:34,310 --> 01:47:31,920
somebody who's looking for scientists to

2492
01:47:37,310 --> 01:47:34,320
take this seriously for mainstream

2493
01:47:39,470 --> 01:47:37,320
credentialed well-educated scientists to

2494
01:47:42,290 --> 01:47:39,480
take this topic seriously and for them

2495
01:47:44,450 --> 01:47:42,300
to offer theories on the information we

2496
01:47:46,490 --> 01:47:44,460
do have in this case purely testimonial

2497
01:47:49,609 --> 01:47:46,500
evidence of something they see that

2498
01:47:50,990 --> 01:47:49,619
would would meet the threshold of all

2499
01:47:53,629 --> 01:47:51,000
the things that were witnessed in that

2500
01:47:55,609 --> 01:47:53,639
case yeah I mean I just think this is we

2501
01:47:56,629 --> 01:47:55,619
need give me more of this not less of

2502
01:47:59,689 --> 01:47:56,639
this

2503
01:48:03,649 --> 01:47:59,699
absolutely give me more buddy hey that's

2504
01:48:07,669 --> 01:48:03,659
a perfect transition give me more so

2505
01:48:10,070 --> 01:48:07,679
what do you have if you can tease us on

2506
01:48:12,530 --> 01:48:10,080
what do you have coming up over at the

2507
01:48:14,930 --> 01:48:12,540
debrief before we begin wrapping things

2508
01:48:16,609 --> 01:48:14,940
up here and we are working on a lot of

2509
01:48:18,850 --> 01:48:16,619
things over there as always there's a

2510
01:48:21,410 --> 01:48:18,860
lot of cooking going on in the kitchen

2511
01:48:23,390 --> 01:48:21,420
I've been known to get myself in trouble

2512
01:48:25,729 --> 01:48:23,400
with the team over there from time to

2513
01:48:28,189 --> 01:48:25,739
time by leaking things out like I think

2514
01:48:30,350 --> 01:48:28,199
I like the Chicago thing out in December

2515
01:48:31,729 --> 01:48:30,360
and here it is coming out in May and

2516
01:48:34,550 --> 01:48:31,739
people are like man what's with the

2517
01:48:36,590 --> 01:48:34,560
weight so here's something I can tell

2518
01:48:39,830 --> 01:48:36,600
you though if you're on Twitter and

2519
01:48:42,950 --> 01:48:39,840
you're following uh Dr chance Glenn he

2520
01:48:44,810 --> 01:48:42,960
is a scientist and a professor and an

2521
01:48:47,270 --> 01:48:44,820
engineer at the University of Houston

2522
01:48:49,490 --> 01:48:47,280
Victoria he's actually the Provost of

2523
01:48:51,290 --> 01:48:49,500
the whole university so he's a you know

2524
01:48:52,669 --> 01:48:51,300
above all the other professors there and

2525
01:48:54,950 --> 01:48:52,679
works with all of them on different

2526
01:48:57,169 --> 01:48:54,960
projects but he is a scientist and

2527
01:48:59,149 --> 01:48:57,179
engineer I met him through the fact that

2528
01:49:01,550 --> 01:48:59,159
he was working again on like a warp

2529
01:49:03,709 --> 01:49:01,560
drive type Theory and again just hard

2530
01:49:06,169 --> 01:49:03,719
science on how space and time can be

2531
01:49:07,370 --> 01:49:06,179
worked and he tweeted this out the other

2532
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:07,380
day

2533
01:49:12,410 --> 01:49:10,320
he said recently I had the pleasure of

2534
01:49:15,830 --> 01:49:12,420
speaking with three gentlemen about

2535
01:49:20,450 --> 01:49:15,840
their experiences with UFO slash uaps

2536
01:49:21,830 --> 01:49:20,460
one ex-military one scientist and one

2537
01:49:25,669 --> 01:49:21,840
businessman

2538
01:49:29,629 --> 01:49:25,679
at least one has an experience that has

2539
01:49:33,410 --> 01:49:29,639
been documented with Aro aaro

2540
01:49:34,609 --> 01:49:33,420
I will discuss this more on ask Dr

2541
01:49:37,430 --> 01:49:34,619
chance

2542
01:49:39,590 --> 01:49:37,440
so ask Dr Chance's a new show on the

2543
01:49:43,970 --> 01:49:39,600
debriefs YouTube channel our Premiere

2544
01:49:46,250 --> 01:49:43,980
episode was uh April 26 28 summer right

2545
01:49:49,310 --> 01:49:46,260
there at the end of April and Dr chance

2546
01:49:51,169 --> 01:49:49,320
spoke about uh space travel and he just

2547
01:49:54,290 --> 01:49:51,179
took readers questions and addressed

2548
01:49:56,450 --> 01:49:54,300
them but in this upcoming episode which

2549
01:49:58,910 --> 01:49:56,460
will be at the end of May so we're only

2550
01:50:00,830 --> 01:49:58,920
a couple of weeks away he's going to

2551
01:50:02,689 --> 01:50:00,840
talk about what he mentioned right there

2552
01:50:06,470 --> 01:50:02,699
which is he's going to do a full show on

2553
01:50:12,530 --> 01:50:06,480
UFOs again a mainstream college

2554
01:50:15,229 --> 01:50:12,540
professor engineer PhD who's uh because

2555
01:50:17,270 --> 01:50:15,239
of his association with the debrief is

2556
01:50:19,669 --> 01:50:17,280
looking at some of this stuff now and

2557
01:50:22,550 --> 01:50:19,679
has been involved in it and he's gonna

2558
01:50:24,770 --> 01:50:22,560
now come out and talk about I think he

2559
01:50:27,229 --> 01:50:24,780
mentioned three different Witnesses at

2560
01:50:30,350 --> 01:50:27,239
least one of which had their experiments

2561
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:30,360
documented with arrows so uh he's gonna

2562
01:50:34,550 --> 01:50:32,400
give up the goods whatever he's learned

2563
01:50:38,030 --> 01:50:34,560
from them whoever these Witnesses are

2564
01:50:40,250 --> 01:50:38,040
are whatever their experiences including

2565
01:50:43,430 --> 01:50:40,260
the one that was documented uh he's

2566
01:50:45,590 --> 01:50:43,440
going to discuss that on his show at the

2567
01:50:48,290 --> 01:50:45,600
end of the month here on the YouTube on

2568
01:50:51,050 --> 01:50:48,300
the debriefs YouTube channel and if you

2569
01:50:52,430 --> 01:50:51,060
follow me on Twitter at plain underscore

2570
01:50:55,609 --> 01:50:52,440
fiction I think it's there under my

2571
01:50:57,350 --> 01:50:55,619
photos somewhere uh I will be tweeting

2572
01:50:59,629 --> 01:50:57,360
it out if you follow the debris Twitter

2573
01:51:01,910 --> 01:50:59,639
account we'll be tweeting it out too and

2574
01:51:04,189 --> 01:51:01,920
if you want to follow Dr chance Glenn

2575
01:51:06,530 --> 01:51:04,199
he's just a smart guy and a great

2576
01:51:08,350 --> 01:51:06,540
follower let me give you his Twitter is

2577
01:51:11,649 --> 01:51:08,360
at

2578
01:51:19,729 --> 01:51:11,659
Professor underscore Glenn

2579
01:51:22,370 --> 01:51:19,739
and chance Glenn is just a smart guy a

2580
01:51:25,790 --> 01:51:22,380
gentleman and just really great science

2581
01:51:27,590 --> 01:51:25,800
Communicator a huge Star Trek nerd and

2582
01:51:29,810 --> 01:51:27,600
uh he goes to conventions and I mean

2583
01:51:32,149 --> 01:51:29,820
he's definitely a nerd and he's just one

2584
01:51:33,890 --> 01:51:32,159
of our type he's my type of guy and yeah

2585
01:51:36,109 --> 01:51:33,900
he's committed to doing these shows with

2586
01:51:38,570 --> 01:51:36,119
the debrief and the first one was really

2587
01:51:41,209 --> 01:51:38,580
excellent on space travel and this one

2588
01:51:43,669 --> 01:51:41,219
coming up he's gonna weigh in on UFOs

2589
01:51:45,370 --> 01:51:43,679
and UAP including testimony from three

2590
01:51:48,770 --> 01:51:45,380
different people he spoke to privately

2591
01:51:51,290 --> 01:51:48,780
that's amazing I I'm I'm so happy you

2592
01:51:53,330 --> 01:51:51,300
guys got him to work with you over there

2593
01:51:57,229 --> 01:51:53,340
he's a Steve Star Trek nerd I saw him

2594
01:51:58,970 --> 01:51:57,239
with his little logo pin on recently

2595
01:52:02,330 --> 01:51:58,980
um well and you know we should mention

2596
01:52:04,550 --> 01:52:02,340
also the other awesome podcasts over at

2597
01:52:06,890 --> 01:52:04,560
the debrief you've got uh rebelliously

2598
01:52:08,930 --> 01:52:06,900
Curious with Chrissy Newton our very own

2599
01:52:11,990 --> 01:52:08,940
co-pilot here at some somewhere in the

2600
01:52:13,669 --> 01:52:12,000
skies and feature projects as well stay

2601
01:52:16,729 --> 01:52:13,679
tuned for that and you also have the

2602
01:52:19,430 --> 01:52:16,739
weekly report now over at the debrief 2

2603
01:52:20,810 --> 01:52:19,440
with MJ benais and uh I'm not familiar

2604
01:52:24,109 --> 01:52:20,820
with the co-host

2605
01:52:26,810 --> 01:52:24,119
um so she's another big star tech Star

2606
01:52:29,030 --> 01:52:26,820
Trek nerd and a science nerd and I gotta

2607
01:52:31,430 --> 01:52:29,040
tell you that is a really fun show it's

2608
01:52:33,169 --> 01:52:31,440
maybe 20 25 minutes per episode so

2609
01:52:36,350 --> 01:52:33,179
they're really tight they're just

2610
01:52:39,410 --> 01:52:36,360
Spotify Apple you know iTunes just just

2611
01:52:41,090 --> 01:52:39,420
a uh audio podcasts they basically go

2612
01:52:42,830 --> 01:52:41,100
through the debrief stories of the last

2613
01:52:45,109 --> 01:52:42,840
week they pick out two three or four

2614
01:52:46,609 --> 01:52:45,119
that they found really interesting the

2615
01:52:48,709 --> 01:52:46,619
two of them are really funny and really

2616
01:52:50,390 --> 01:52:48,719
smart and they discuss it in a fun way

2617
01:52:52,910 --> 01:52:50,400
and like I said if you're just looking

2618
01:52:55,250 --> 01:52:52,920
for a quick like how what's the debrief

2619
01:52:56,570 --> 01:52:55,260
up to and you don't feel like sitting

2620
01:52:58,070 --> 01:52:56,580
down and reading through all of our

2621
01:53:00,109 --> 01:52:58,080
articles you don't have the time you can

2622
01:53:02,390 --> 01:53:00,119
have what fun stuff is going on over

2623
01:53:04,550 --> 01:53:02,400
there they touch on that every Friday

2624
01:53:08,030 --> 01:53:04,560
it's like I said it's about like 25

2625
01:53:10,850 --> 01:53:08,040
minutes it's really fun and uh you you

2626
01:53:13,250 --> 01:53:10,860
get MJ benais I mean how can one of the

2627
01:53:15,590 --> 01:53:13,260
founders of the debrief and our own

2628
01:53:18,709 --> 01:53:15,600
internal Midwest I mean what's more fun

2629
01:53:20,930 --> 01:53:18,719
than listening to a skeptic and be a

2630
01:53:23,209 --> 01:53:20,940
wise guy and uh give ground every once

2631
01:53:26,090 --> 01:53:23,219
in a while because Stephanie is uh she's

2632
01:53:28,550 --> 01:53:26,100
uh keeps him on his toe she's great yeah

2633
01:53:29,870 --> 01:53:28,560
it's a fun show I really do enjoy it and

2634
01:53:31,310 --> 01:53:29,880
like you said like that's what we do

2635
01:53:33,950 --> 01:53:31,320
here at somewhere in the live stream we

2636
01:53:35,689 --> 01:53:33,960
bring podcast highlights of the week new

2637
01:53:38,330 --> 01:53:35,699
stories of the week like your One-Stop

2638
01:53:41,209 --> 01:53:38,340
shop for all of this stuff because you

2639
01:53:43,430 --> 01:53:41,219
know everyone's so busy in their

2640
01:53:44,870 --> 01:53:43,440
personal lives to know everything to

2641
01:53:46,010 --> 01:53:44,880
learn everything read everything hear

2642
01:53:48,109 --> 01:53:46,020
everything

2643
01:53:50,090 --> 01:53:48,119
um so I thought it'd be cool like the

2644
01:53:52,609 --> 01:53:50,100
weekly report at the debrief to like

2645
01:53:54,410 --> 01:53:52,619
kind of bring everything together see

2646
01:53:56,750 --> 01:53:54,420
what's going on in the community and

2647
01:53:58,790 --> 01:53:56,760
outside of the UFO Community

2648
01:54:00,770 --> 01:53:58,800
um and I I think it's cool it's been

2649
01:54:03,229 --> 01:54:00,780
going good for 14 episodes in we've

2650
01:54:05,510 --> 01:54:03,239
grown a really solid foundation here

2651
01:54:08,030 --> 01:54:05,520
we've got daily and Ryan Baker Suzanne

2652
01:54:11,270 --> 01:54:08,040
Robert James Craig Jazz they show up

2653
01:54:13,910 --> 01:54:11,280
every week a lot of others as well I

2654
01:54:16,550 --> 01:54:13,920
should mention too Jazz gave us a very

2655
01:54:19,750 --> 01:54:16,560
generous Super Chat of forty dollars

2656
01:54:23,270 --> 01:54:19,760
here before we get going um

2657
01:54:26,149 --> 01:54:23,280
I'll keep my eye on venmo for seriously

2658
01:54:28,850 --> 01:54:26,159
man I feel like jazz has got like some

2659
01:54:31,729 --> 01:54:28,860
oil in his backyard he's not telling

2660
01:54:34,189 --> 01:54:31,739
anyone about or something but um he made

2661
01:54:36,590 --> 01:54:34,199
this comment very early on in our

2662
01:54:38,629 --> 01:54:36,600
conversation about um you know the alien

2663
01:54:40,850 --> 01:54:38,639
civilization thing the idea that a

2664
01:54:43,370 --> 01:54:40,860
species to achieved powered flight in

2665
01:54:45,770 --> 01:54:43,380
the last 130 years in in a universe that

2666
01:54:48,649 --> 01:54:45,780
is 14 billion years old or much older

2667
01:54:51,649 --> 01:54:48,659
looking at James Webb is just ridiculous

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01:54:53,870 --> 01:54:51,659
so that's Jazz's comment on what we were

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01:54:55,850 --> 01:54:53,880
talking about in the past there they're

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01:54:58,430 --> 01:54:55,860
so thank you Jazz truly appreciate that

2671
01:55:01,129 --> 01:54:58,440
thank you to James Craig and thank you

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01:55:04,250 --> 01:55:01,139
to Jordan Mack as well

2673
01:55:06,709 --> 01:55:04,260
um that's all I got Chris I kept you for

2674
01:55:09,410 --> 01:55:06,719
literally almost an hour longer than I

2675
01:55:10,430 --> 01:55:09,420
told you so I'm gonna let you go for the

2676
01:55:15,290 --> 01:55:10,440
night man

2677
01:55:17,390 --> 01:55:15,300
um you were just uh God I could do these

2678
01:55:20,149 --> 01:55:17,400
science-based episodes with you at least

2679
01:55:22,729 --> 01:55:20,159
once a month so I can't wait to have you

2680
01:55:24,950 --> 01:55:22,739
back in the near future on somewhere in

2681
01:55:26,390 --> 01:55:24,960
the skies but because my mom used to

2682
01:55:29,689 --> 01:55:26,400
always say if Chris doesn't know the

2683
01:55:31,910 --> 01:55:29,699
answer he'll make one up so

2684
01:55:34,729 --> 01:55:31,920
spoken like a true ufologist actually

2685
01:55:36,830 --> 01:55:34,739
yeah thanks for having me out man you

2686
01:55:38,689 --> 01:55:36,840
know personally I got a ton of love for

2687
01:55:40,970 --> 01:55:38,699
you I just think you're a gentleman I

2688
01:55:43,310 --> 01:55:40,980
think that uh just

2689
01:55:45,229 --> 01:55:43,320
people that if you are new to this

2690
01:55:48,410 --> 01:55:45,239
community you're just kind of stiffing

2691
01:55:50,750 --> 01:55:48,420
in your toe in and going like is this uh

2692
01:55:52,250 --> 01:55:50,760
all I hear on Twitter is it's all trolls

2693
01:55:54,950 --> 01:55:52,260
and it's all fighting and it's all

2694
01:55:56,810 --> 01:55:54,960
negativity I found anything but in the

2695
01:55:58,310 --> 01:55:56,820
UFO Community I joined up here about two

2696
01:56:00,830 --> 01:55:58,320
and a half years ago right before I

2697
01:56:02,450 --> 01:56:00,840
started working at the debris and I

2698
01:56:05,709 --> 01:56:02,460
started interacting with people on here

2699
01:56:07,729 --> 01:56:05,719
and I found a lot of great fun positive

2700
01:56:11,030 --> 01:56:07,739
open-minded people that are just looking

2701
01:56:13,490 --> 01:56:11,040
for answers and Ryan Sprague is one of

2702
01:56:16,790 --> 01:56:13,500
my favorite people I've met here and uh

2703
01:56:19,129 --> 01:56:16,800
uh just uh I listen to your show I'm a

2704
01:56:20,930 --> 01:56:19,139
fan I read your books and I think

2705
01:56:24,410 --> 01:56:20,940
anybody who's looking for a cool fun

2706
01:56:26,390 --> 01:56:24,420
read or a cool fun show hosted by a guy

2707
01:56:28,129 --> 01:56:26,400
who's not out looking to gotcha anybody

2708
01:56:30,950 --> 01:56:28,139
or out looking to be negative and just

2709
01:56:34,070 --> 01:56:30,960
have fun in life uh as my wife would say

2710
01:56:35,629 --> 01:56:34,080
Ryan Sprague passes the smile test which

2711
01:56:37,729 --> 01:56:35,639
means you're always smiling brother it's

2712
01:56:39,109 --> 01:56:37,739
one of my favorite things about you oh

2713
01:56:41,930 --> 01:56:39,119
thank you buddy well it takes people

2714
01:56:45,050 --> 01:56:41,940
like you to keep me smile filing in this

2715
01:56:46,490 --> 01:56:45,060
field trust me so I will say good night

2716
01:56:51,410 --> 01:56:46,500
to you

2717
01:56:54,229 --> 01:56:51,420
you thank you for your time tonight and

2718
01:56:56,570 --> 01:56:54,239
we will definitely talk very soon as

2719
01:56:58,250 --> 01:56:56,580
everything progresses sound good sounds

2720
01:57:00,290 --> 01:56:58,260
good and I'll have when there's more to

2721
01:57:02,209 --> 01:57:00,300
come I'll let you know I know you will

2722
01:57:06,530 --> 01:57:02,219
thank you Chris thanks for watching this

2723
01:57:13,609 --> 01:57:10,729
that's it guys wow what in episode again

2724
01:57:14,810 --> 01:57:13,619
I kept Chris way Locker but I told him I

2725
01:57:16,970 --> 01:57:14,820
was like yeah it might be like an hour

2726
01:57:17,930 --> 01:57:16,980
and here we are an hour and 57 minutes

2727
01:57:23,570 --> 01:57:17,940
in

2728
01:57:26,030 --> 01:57:23,580
UK

2729
01:57:27,950 --> 01:57:26,040
um but but but but

2730
01:57:29,810 --> 01:57:27,960
um this will be the podcast episode for

2731
01:57:31,370 --> 01:57:29,820
the week but we have some awesome

2732
01:57:33,410 --> 01:57:31,380
episodes coming up in the very near

2733
01:57:36,530 --> 01:57:33,420
future as well I'm doing a whole episode

2734
01:57:39,709 --> 01:57:36,540
on Close Encounters of the Third Kind no

2735
01:57:41,030 --> 01:57:39,719
not the movie but actual cases

2736
01:57:43,310 --> 01:57:41,040
um and that was co-research and

2737
01:57:46,669 --> 01:57:43,320
co-written by the one and only Preston

2738
01:57:50,209 --> 01:57:46,679
Dennett so I will be bringing you I

2739
01:57:52,250 --> 01:57:50,219
believe it's six Close Encounter of the

2740
01:57:54,770 --> 01:57:52,260
Third Kind UFO cases that you probably

2741
01:57:56,810 --> 01:57:54,780
have never heard of before very obscure

2742
01:57:58,070 --> 01:57:56,820
very cool cases

2743
01:58:00,890 --> 01:57:58,080
um so that's going to be coming to you

2744
01:58:04,010 --> 01:58:00,900
in the following week of somewhere in

2745
01:58:06,350 --> 01:58:04,020
the skies um but this was incredible I'm

2746
01:58:08,270 --> 01:58:06,360
so happy we got to revisit the Chicago

2747
01:58:09,950 --> 01:58:08,280
O'Hare UFO incident

2748
01:58:12,109 --> 01:58:09,960
um from a fresh perspective by this

2749
01:58:16,070 --> 01:58:12,119
group applied physics and brought to us

2750
01:58:18,770 --> 01:58:16,080
by Chris plain to debrief so that's it

2751
01:58:20,870 --> 01:58:18,780
guys that's all I got for you oh yeah

2752
01:58:23,810 --> 01:58:20,880
um that book right there just came out

2753
01:58:26,149 --> 01:58:23,820
so check that out too if you don't mind

2754
01:58:29,149 --> 01:58:26,159
um over on Amazon in paperback and ebook

2755
01:58:30,470 --> 01:58:29,159
stories from somewhere in the sky stay

2756
01:58:33,350 --> 01:58:30,480
Lynn has been in the chat all night

2757
01:58:38,209 --> 01:58:33,360
she's actually in the book her crazy

2758
01:58:41,270 --> 01:58:38,219
dramatic UFO encounter in the Outback in

2759
01:58:43,250 --> 01:58:41,280
Australia on a military base stunning

2760
01:58:44,990 --> 01:58:43,260
case you'll read about it in stories

2761
01:58:47,030 --> 01:58:45,000
from somewhere in the skies

2762
01:58:48,770 --> 01:58:47,040
um so yeah

2763
01:58:49,510 --> 01:58:48,780
um if you have the book please please

2764
01:58:54,790 --> 01:58:49,520
please

2765
01:58:57,950 --> 01:58:54,800
review it on Amazon that helps

2766
01:58:59,750 --> 01:58:57,960
tremendously my Publishers tell me and

2767
01:59:01,609 --> 01:58:59,760
they've been kind of um telling me you

2768
01:59:03,770 --> 01:59:01,619
got to tell people go rate and review Go

2769
01:59:05,890 --> 01:59:03,780
written review so please rate and review

2770
01:59:09,410 --> 01:59:05,900
the book over on Amazon it helps us out

2771
01:59:11,089 --> 01:59:09,420
a lot um but that's all I got guys

2772
01:59:14,390 --> 01:59:11,099
um everyone's sending their love to

2773
01:59:16,010 --> 01:59:14,400
Chris here in the chat um way too many

2774
01:59:18,950 --> 01:59:16,020
to put up on the screen so I'll put them

2775
01:59:22,310 --> 01:59:18,960
up as we do our outro

2776
01:59:25,189 --> 01:59:22,320
um but uh that's it guys I'm gonna say

2777
01:59:27,169 --> 01:59:25,199
good night for tonight stay tuned for

2778
01:59:31,430 --> 01:59:27,179
this episode dropping on the podcast

2779
01:59:33,709 --> 01:59:31,440
feed very very soon and as always keep

2780
01:59:36,050 --> 01:59:33,719
your feet on the ground but never stop

2781
01:59:38,950 --> 01:59:36,060
searching somewhere in the skies have a

2782
01:59:45,710 --> 01:59:38,960
great night take care

2783
01:59:48,110 --> 01:59:45,720
[Music]

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01:59:57,890 --> 01:59:48,120
[Applause]

2785
01:59:57,900 --> 02:00:14,649
[Music]

2786
02:00:30,330 --> 02:00:17,030
thank you

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02:00:30,340 --> 02:00:34,189
[Music]

2788
02:00:39,410 --> 02:00:36,890
since 2017 the somewhere in the skies

2789
02:00:41,450 --> 02:00:39,420
podcast has been a place for people in

2790
02:00:44,330 --> 02:00:41,460
all walks of life to tell their personal

2791
02:00:46,729 --> 02:00:44,340
UFO stories how of these sightings and

2792
02:00:48,950 --> 02:00:46,739
encounters changed those who experience

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02:00:51,050 --> 02:00:48,960
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02:00:53,629 --> 02:00:51,060
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this compendium brings to life some of

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02:00:59,750 --> 02:00:58,199
the most powerful UFO stories ever

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02:01:02,089 --> 02:00:59,760
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02:01:03,770 --> 02:01:02,099
podcast it takes us on a fascinating

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02:01:06,350 --> 02:01:03,780
journey through life-altering

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02:01:07,970 --> 02:01:06,360
experiences from those who stared into

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02:01:10,669 --> 02:01:07,980
the skies and had something

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02:01:13,370 --> 02:01:10,679
extraordinary stare back

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02:01:15,770 --> 02:01:13,380
stories from somewhere in the skies now

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02:01:16,850 --> 02:01:15,780
available in paperback and ebook on

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02:01:18,649 --> 02:01:16,860
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02:01:21,649 --> 02:01:18,659
order today from the link in the show

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02:01:23,860 --> 02:01:21,659
notes or visit Amazon and search for